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Bates Method

2020-06-23T04:36:39Z

Hannie:

The '''Bates Method''' is a modern interpretation of [[Wikipedia:William_Bates_(physician)|William Horatio Bates]]' teachings. Contemporary practitioners of the method believe that using [[eye exercise]]s to relieve [[eye strain]] will reverse [[myopia]].

Bates was the first (recorded) physician to propose and promote a way to reverse myopia and reduce one's dependence on glasses. His expertise and insights were built upon the knowledge that was available at that time.

A copy of his original work can be found [https://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id148.html here] under "Original Issue of Better Eyesight, Nov., 1926 and Perfect Sight Without Glasses Pamphlet"

EndMyopia is based on the premise that a stimulus is necessary to induce a change. Bates' teachings, both found in his original work and the modern day spin-offs, do not provide such a stimulus. This makes it hard (if not impossible) to use the Bates Method to get back to full natural eyesight without using corrective lenses or laser surgery.

Similar to Bates' approach, EndMyopia is dependent on eye strain being eliminated. In that respect Bates' exercises provide some relief. [[Ciliary muscle spasm]] is the primary culprit in what is known as "[[pseudomyopia]]/[[near induced transient myopia]]". Exercises used in the Bates Method can relieve eye strain and get rid of [[ciliary muscle spasm]]. EndMyopia proposes the use of [[Active Focus]] in conjunction with enough solid [[distance vision]] to relieve this muscle spasm.

==Bates' eye exercises==
===Palming===
Palming is placing your hands over the eyes for a while. This is done with the intention of reducing strain on the eyes. Like many Bates Method practices, palming may be used to temporarily reduce [[eye strain]]. However, it is always better to resolve the main causes of eye strain, like uncorrected vision and bad close-up habits. Palming is a practice that does not initiate the stimulus-response mechanism of eyesight improvement.
===Swinging===
'''Swinging''' is one of the exercises advocated by the Bates Method. There could be some rationalization for it : by allowing the [[Visual cortex]] to see different focal planes moving relative to each other, it provides information about the relative distances of those planes, which it would
not otherwise have (due to [[Myopic blur]]). The visual cortex could use that extra information in some useful way. It would do no harm to give it a try while observing the [[20-20-20 rule]]. Let us know if you find it helpful.

==Further references==

If you are interested in looking at some of the history of myopia reversal, have a look at this [[https://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Five_Health_Classics/BENJAMIN%2C%20Harry%20-%20Better%20Sight%20Without%20Glasses%20%281962%29.pdf work]] by Dr. Harry Benjamin. Although his work is based on many aspects found in Bates' teachings, you will find some noteworthy concepts, in rudimentary form, that are also found in EndMyopia.

==See also==
[[Wikipedia:Bates method|Wikipedia:Bates method]]

[[Wikipedia:William_Bates_(physician)|Wikipedia:William Horatio Bates]]

[[Category:Unicorn Farming]]
[[Category:Articles]]

Bates Method

2020-06-23T04:22:11Z

Hannie:

The '''Bates method''' is a modern interpretation of [[Wikipedia:William_Bates_(physician)|William Horatio Bates]]' teachings. Contemporary practitioners of the method believe that using [[eye exercise]]s to relieve [[eye strain]] will reverse [[myopia]].

Bates was the first (recorded) physician to propose and promote a way to reverse myopia and reduce one's dependence on glasses. His expertise and insights were built upon the knowledge that was available at that time.

A copy of his original work can be found [https://cleareyesight-batesmethod.info/id148.html here] under "Original Issue of Better Eyesight, Nov., 1926 and Perfect Sight Without Glasses Pamphlet"

EndMyopia is based on the premise that a stimulus is necessary to induce a change. Bates' teachings, both found in his original work and the modern day spin-offs, do not provide such a stimulus. This makes it hard (if not impossible) to use the Bates Method to get back to full natural eyesight without using corrective lenses or laser surgery.

Similar to Bates' approach, EndMyopia is dependent on eye strain being eliminated. In that respect Bates' exercises provide some relief. [[Ciliary muscle spasm]] is the primary culprit in what is known as "[[pseudomyopia]]/[[near induced transient myopia]]". Exercises used in the Bates Method can relieve eye strain and get rid of [[ciliary muscle spasm]]. EndMyopia proposes the use of [[Active Focus]] in conjunction with enough solid [[distance vision]] to relieve this muscle spasm.

==Bates' eye exercises==
===Palming===
Palming is placing your hands over the eyes for a while. This is done with the intention of reducing strain on the eyes. Like many Bates Method practices, palming may be used to temporarily reduce [[eye strain]]. However, it is always better to resolve the main causes of eye strain, like uncorrected vision and bad close-up habits. Palming is a practice that does not initiate the stimulus-response mechanism of eyesight improvement.
===Swinging===
'''Swinging''' is one of the exercises advocated by the Bates Method. There could be some rationalization for it : by allowing the [[Visual cortex]] to see different focal planes moving relative to each other, it provides information about the relative distances of those planes, which it would
not otherwise have (due to [[Myopic blur]]). The visual cortex could use that extra information in some useful way. It would do no harm to give it a try while observing the [[20-20-20 rule]]. Let us know if you find it helpful.

==Further references==

If you are interested in looking at some of the history of myopia reversal, have a look at this [[https://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Five_Health_Classics/BENJAMIN%2C%20Harry%20-%20Better%20Sight%20Without%20Glasses%20%281962%29.pdf work]] by Dr. Harry Benjamin. Although his work is based on many aspects found in Bates' teachings, you will find some noteworthy concepts, in rudimentary form, that are also found in EndMyopia.

==See also==
[[Wikipedia:Bates method|Wikipedia:Bates method]]

[[Wikipedia:William_Bates_(physician)|Wikipedia:William Horatio Bates]]

[[Category:Unicorn Farming]]
[[Category:Articles]]

Guide:How to ask for support

2020-06-20T14:53:23Z

Hannie:

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|[[File:Cutest questioning dog.gif|right]]
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{{Shortcut|GUIDE:ASKING|GUIDE:ADVICE}}
This guide will help you to answer questions you have in the right way, so you get the best results with [[vision improvement]].
__TOC__
{{clear}}
==Asking the resources that already exist==
EndMyopia has built up a large existing canon of free resources. These free resources were made for full immersion, not for the readers to pick-and-mix what they do and don't want to do. You have to do several things, together, correctly in order to improve your vision, just doing [[Active Focus]] or just improving your [[habits]] won't suffice.

Here is an exhaustive list of free resources available:
* [[EndMyopia YouTube Channel|YouTube Channel]]
** [[Portable Eye Guru Project]]
* [[EndMyopia Blog|Blog]]
* [[Shortsighted – The Podcast]]
* [[EM:EndMyopia Wiki|EndMyopia Wiki]]

===Reading > asking for support===
[[File:Spin the wheel.gif|right]]
{{Shortcut|GUIDE:READFIRST}}
These resources don't involve asking anyone else for advice. That's a good thing, because any time you ask the advice of someone else, '''they are likely giving you a much reduced level of detail, compared to what you actually need to know to improve your eyesight'''.

You're spinning a wheel and hoping someone will give you something helpful (by chance), instead of going directly to the resource that has the highest level of detail and is guaranteed to be helpful on the first time.

Any time you ask for advice instead of trying harder to find out what has already been written on the subject, you are choosing between these two:
#Detailed, crafted information written by an author trying to give you the detail needed to improve eyesight
#Whatever someone decides to write you at that moment (spin the wheel)

In the early stages of improving your vision, '''reading will always be superior to asking questions to the community'''. We're sorry, but nearly all of your basic questions have been answered elsewhere and in much greater detail.
{{clear}}

==Asking for support==
If you are really unsure about where to get help from, and you've tried your best with the written resources that exist, then you can try your luck at asking for advice from other members of the community.

Sometimes it is a case of individual experiences being better than the written resources.
===Asking for support correctly===
=====Doing it calmly and politely=====
Be sure to show respect to anyone that you ask advice from. Remember they've volunteered to help you in good faith, and they are not the reason you currently are struggling with vision improvement. They're also not obliged to help you, so make sure to be on their good side.
===Asking for support incorrectly===
=====Asking for diopter specific advice=====
{{Main|Explainer:No diopter specific advice}}
Don't ask people for the [[diopter correction]], in numbers, that you should wear to improve your eyesight.

Asking for diopter specific advice implies a grave lack of understanding on what you actually need to do to improve your eyesight. Having the right diopters is only [[Explainer:The Eyesight Improvement Equation|one part of the puzzle]] in fixing your eyes. Even if you have the numbers you need, you are almost guaranteed not to improve your eyesight if you don't understand anything else.

So, the rule against diopter specific advice is really for your good {{wink}}
=====Being entitled=====
You're not entitled to free support from anyone, let alone ''good'' free support. People who offer to help you are volunteers who ''probably'' have done a lot of their own work in reading the [[#Asking_the_resources_that_already_exist|materials that already exist]]. A lot of them have made improvements in their eyesight as well. Be like them {{smiley}}
=====Asking Jake=====
{{Joke|Joke:Plzbro}}
Don't ask Jake for free support. He's worked hard enough developing all of these [[#Asking_the_resources_that_already_exist|free resources]] that you have probably ignored.

Alternatively, you can ask Jake for '''paid''' support in [[BackTo20/20]].
=====Asking any of these questions=====
[[Frequently Asked Questions/FFAQ|{{bigger|Here you can find a list of frequently asked questions, and their answers}}]]

==Rationale behind this guide==
A lot of people unfortunately stagnate their vision improvement almost entirely by not following the principles in this guide. Furthermore, moderators often have to interfere and shut down threads and discussions where it is clear the original poster has done '''no research of their own''', and are simply looking to use others as a substitute for their own brain and thinking. Sometimes the original posters are banned, if they ignore the warnings from the mods.

It's somewhat annoying to those of us who put in the effort to read and digest the free material, before asking questions. It also clogs up the feeds of people who want some proper discussion.

With that said, if it's clear you have done some reading beforehand, and you are looking for clarification on something complicated, there is nothing to worry about {{smiley}}

==See also==
*[[Frequently Asked Questions/FFAQ|Frequently, Frequently Asked Questions]]
*[[Explainer:No diopter specific advice]]

Blur

2020-06-20T14:41:52Z

Hannie: /* Clinical Blur Adaption */

==What is Blur==
There are many sources of failure to recognize characters, but '''blur''' is the only one addressed by EM. Blur is when the edges of the thing you are looking at are not well defined. Print may be too small to see without being blurry. A normal healthy eye can experience blur by looking through a lens not designed for it.

==Myopic vs Hyperopic Blur==
Myopic blur is the type of blur normally experienced by people with uncompensated [[myopia]]. Hyperopic blur is the type normally experienced by people with uncompensated hyperopia. In order to induce blur, use a lens with the opposite [[diopter]] sign as the lens normally used for blur correction, so a plus lens will give myopic blur to an [[emmetrope]]. A weak negative lens will give myopic blur to a myope.

==Diffusion blur==
Diffusion such as frosted glass, causes myopia just as strong myopic lenses do in growing animals. This is also called form deprivation.

==Directional blur==
Text appears smeared in a direction. This is the defining symptom of [[astigmatism]]

==Defocus as a stimulus for eye length changes==
The eye needs stimulus to make corrective changes. Studies have shown that inducing defocus can induce axial lengthening and shortening.
<ref name="pmid29749514">{{cite journal| author=Zhou YY, Chun RKM, Wang JC, Zuo B, Li KK, Lam TC | display-authors=etal| title=Proteomic analysis of chick retina during early recovery from lens‑induced myopia. | journal=Mol Med Rep | year= 2018 | volume= 18 | issue= 1 | pages= 59-66 | pmid=29749514 | doi=10.3892/mmr.2018.8954 | pmc=6059693 | url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/eutils/elink.fcgi?dbfrom=pubmed&tool=sumsearch.org/cite&retmode=ref&cmd=prlinks&id=29749514 }} </ref>
<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Tarutta |first=Elena |date=2016 |title=Long -term effects of optical defocus on eye growth and refractogenesis |url=https://www.pum.edu.pl/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/112849/PomeranianJLifeSci_62-01_025-030.pdf |journal=Pomeranian J Life Sci}}</ref><ref>{{Cite journal |last=Zhu |first=Xiaoying |last2=McBrien |first2=Neville A. |last3=Smith |first3=Earl L. |last4=Troilo |first4=David |last5=Wallman |first5=Josh |date=2013-04-01 |title=Eyes in Various Species Can Shorten to Compensate for Myopic Defocus |url=https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2189093 |journal=Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science |language=en |volume=54 |issue=4 |pages=2634–2644 |doi=10.1167/iovs.12-10514 |issn=1552-5783}}</ref>

==EM Blur Adaption==
"Blur Adaption" unfortunately has two meanings. The meaning commonly meant by EM forum members is encountering so much blur that your eye no longer tried to accommodate the blur. This is something like learned helplessness at the biological level.

==Clinical Blur Adaption==
When a doctor uses the term "Blur Adaption" they mean that a person has adapted to perform visual tasks despite their blur. This is almost the opposite of EM blur adaption.

==See Also==
*[[Normalized]]
*[[Differentials]]
*[[Lens Induced Myopia]]
*[[Chromatic Aberration]]
*[[Blur Horizon]]

==External sources==
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698906005621 - Conceptual model of human blur perception

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Blur

2020-06-20T14:39:41Z

Hannie: /* Clinical Blur Adaption */

==What is Blur==
There are many sources of failure to recognize characters, but '''blur''' is the only one addressed by EM. Blur is when the edges of the thing you are looking at are not well defined. Print may be too small to see without being blurry. A normal healthy eye can experience blur by looking through a lens not designed for it.

==Myopic vs Hyperopic Blur==
Myopic blur is the type of blur normally experienced by people with uncompensated [[myopia]]. Hyperopic blur is the type normally experienced by people with uncompensated hyperopia. In order to induce blur, use a lens with the opposite [[diopter]] sign as the lens normally used for blur correction, so a plus lens will give myopic blur to an [[emmetrope]]. A weak negative lens will give myopic blur to a myope.

==Diffusion blur==
Diffusion such as frosted glass, causes myopia just as strong myopic lenses do in growing animals. This is also called form deprivation.

==Directional blur==
Text appears smeared in a direction. This is the defining symptom of [[astigmatism]]

==Defocus as a stimulus for eye length changes==
The eye needs stimulus to make corrective changes. Studies have shown that inducing defocus can induce axial lengthening and shortening.
<ref name="pmid29749514">{{cite journal| author=Zhou YY, Chun RKM, Wang JC, Zuo B, Li KK, Lam TC | display-authors=etal| title=Proteomic analysis of chick retina during early recovery from lens‑induced myopia. | journal=Mol Med Rep | year= 2018 | volume= 18 | issue= 1 | pages= 59-66 | pmid=29749514 | doi=10.3892/mmr.2018.8954 | pmc=6059693 | url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/eutils/elink.fcgi?dbfrom=pubmed&tool=sumsearch.org/cite&retmode=ref&cmd=prlinks&id=29749514 }} </ref>
<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Tarutta |first=Elena |date=2016 |title=Long -term effects of optical defocus on eye growth and refractogenesis |url=https://www.pum.edu.pl/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/112849/PomeranianJLifeSci_62-01_025-030.pdf |journal=Pomeranian J Life Sci}}</ref><ref>{{Cite journal |last=Zhu |first=Xiaoying |last2=McBrien |first2=Neville A. |last3=Smith |first3=Earl L. |last4=Troilo |first4=David |last5=Wallman |first5=Josh |date=2013-04-01 |title=Eyes in Various Species Can Shorten to Compensate for Myopic Defocus |url=https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2189093 |journal=Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science |language=en |volume=54 |issue=4 |pages=2634–2644 |doi=10.1167/iovs.12-10514 |issn=1552-5783}}</ref>

==EM Blur Adaption==
"Blur Adaption" unfortunately has two meanings. The meaning commonly meant by EM forum members is encountering so much blur that your eye no longer tried to accommodate the blur. This is something like learned helplessness at the biological level.

==Clinical Blur Adaption==
When a doctor uses the term "Blur Adaption" they mean that a person has adapted to perform visual tasks despite their blur. This is almost the opposite of EM blur adaption.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/cxo.13033

==See Also==
*[[Normalized]]
*[[Differentials]]
*[[Lens Induced Myopia]]
*[[Chromatic Aberration]]
*[[Blur Horizon]]

==External sources==
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698906005621 - Conceptual model of human blur perception

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Blur

2020-06-20T14:32:51Z

Hannie:

Blur

2020-06-20T14:32:23Z

Hannie:

==What is Blur==
There are many sources of failure to recognize characters, but'''blur''' is the only one addressed by EM. Blur is when the edges of the thing you are looking at are not well defined. Print may be too small to see without being blurry. A normal healthy eye can experience blur by looking through a lens not designed for it.

==Myopic vs Hyperopic Blur==
Myopic blur is the type of blur normally experienced by people with uncompensated [[myopia]]. Hyperopic blur is the type normally experienced by people with uncompensated hyperopia. In order to induce blur, use a lens with the opposite [[diopter]] sign as the lens normally used for blur correction, so a plus lens will give myopic blur to an [[emmetrope]]. A weak negative lens will give myopic blur to a myope.

==Diffusion blur==
Diffusion such as frosted glass, causes myopia just as strong myopic lenses do in growing animals. This is also called form deprivation.

==Directional blur==
Text appears smeared in a direction. This is the defining symptom of [[astigmatism]]

==Defocus as a stimulus for eye length changes==
The eye needs stimulus to make corrective changes. Studies have shown that inducing defocus can induce axial lengthening and shortening.
<ref name="pmid29749514">{{cite journal| author=Zhou YY, Chun RKM, Wang JC, Zuo B, Li KK, Lam TC | display-authors=etal| title=Proteomic analysis of chick retina during early recovery from lens‑induced myopia. | journal=Mol Med Rep | year= 2018 | volume= 18 | issue= 1 | pages= 59-66 | pmid=29749514 | doi=10.3892/mmr.2018.8954 | pmc=6059693 | url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/eutils/elink.fcgi?dbfrom=pubmed&tool=sumsearch.org/cite&retmode=ref&cmd=prlinks&id=29749514 }} </ref>
<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Tarutta |first=Elena |date=2016 |title=Long -term effects of optical defocus on eye growth and refractogenesis |url=https://www.pum.edu.pl/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/112849/PomeranianJLifeSci_62-01_025-030.pdf |journal=Pomeranian J Life Sci}}</ref><ref>{{Cite journal |last=Zhu |first=Xiaoying |last2=McBrien |first2=Neville A. |last3=Smith |first3=Earl L. |last4=Troilo |first4=David |last5=Wallman |first5=Josh |date=2013-04-01 |title=Eyes in Various Species Can Shorten to Compensate for Myopic Defocus |url=https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2189093 |journal=Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science |language=en |volume=54 |issue=4 |pages=2634–2644 |doi=10.1167/iovs.12-10514 |issn=1552-5783}}</ref>

==EM Blur Adaption==
"Blur Adaption" unfortunately has two meanings. The meaning commonly meant by EM forum members is encountering so much blur that your eye no longer tried to accommodate the blur. This is something like learned helplessness at the biological level.

==Clinical Blur Adaption==
When a doctor uses the term "Blur Adaption" they mean that a person has adapted to perform visual tasks despite their blur. This is almost the opposite of EM blur adaption.

==See Also==
*[[Normalized]]
*[[Differentials]]
*[[Lens Induced Myopia]]
*[[Chromatic Aberration]]
*[[Blur Horizon]]

==External sources==
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042698906005621 - Conceptual model of human blur perception

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Binocular vision

2020-06-20T14:29:31Z

Hannie:

'''Binocular vision''' is the way your eyes work together. With normal eyesight, your eyes are always looking at the same object, and are focused to the same degree, which is a major component of depth perception. The EM method does not directly address binocular issues. Look for a doctor that specializes in [[Vision Training]] for binocular issues.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Bates Method

2020-06-20T14:26:50Z

Hannie:

{{Under_construction}}
[[File:Tom_Working_Out_Weightlifting.gif|right]]
'''Bates method''', who has time for all of those exercises anyway? Not me! Especially when it does not even work!

Bates method practitioners believe that using [[eye exercise]]s to relieve [[eye strain]] will reverse [[myopia]]. This is false; relieving strain of the [[ciliary muscle]] will treat [[pseudomyopia]], but will not treat [[lens-induced myopia]], which is responsible for most myopia. However, the Bates method can not even relieve the ciliary muscles, so it is utterly useless.

To fully understand why Bates does not work you must understand that there are two types of muscles of the eye, [[extraocular muscle]]s and ciliary muscles. Exercises strengthen extraocular muscles but they are only responsible for rotating your eyeballs. Ciliary muscles on the other hand keep things in focus. However, no exercises affect them, as they are smooth muscles which are not consciously controlled (like your gut muscles). Just as you can't give your gut muscles a workout, you can't give your ciliary muscles a workout either. So eye exercises have no benefit for reversing myopia.

The other contributor to myopia is eyeball elongation. No exercises can shorten the eyeballs, unless you consider smashing the eyes an exercise. Even smashing the eyes won't shorten the eyes so you don't need to smash them, '''especially''' when [[Jake Steiner|Jake]] has already invented EndMyopia!

'''In short, forget Bates. Do EndMyopia.'''
==The useless exercises==
===Palming===
Palming is placing hands over the eyes, with the intention of reducing [[myopia]]. This is a [[Bates method]] practice that can be disregarded, as it does not address the causality of how eyesight improves.

Like many Bates method practices, palming may be used to temporarily reduce [[eye strain]]. However, it is always better to resolve the core causes of eye strain, like uncorrected vision and bad computer habits.
===Swinging===
'''Swinging''' is one of the exercises advocated by the [[Bates Method]].

There could be some rationalisation for it : by allowing the [[Visual cortex]] to see different focal planes
moving relative to each other, it gains information about the relative distances of those planes, which it would
not otherwise have (due to [[Myopic blur]]). It might be able to use that extra information in some useful way.

It would do no harm to give it a try while you're looking out the window anyway, while observing the
[[20-20-20-Rule]]. Let us know if you find it helpful. If nothing else, it will give the neighbours
across the road something to talk about.

You could try chanting a mantra at the same time. I can't think of a rationalisation for that,
but it might entertain your cat.

The [[Myopia is Mental]] method extends the idea of swinging to make yourself aware of
objects moving relative to each other as you walk. That is not dissimilar to the rationalisation
above - it could conceivably give some additional depth information.

[[Category:Unicorn Farming]]
[[Category:Articles]]

Bates Method

2020-06-20T14:25:35Z

Hannie:

{{Under_construction}}
[[File:Tom_Working_Out_Weightlifting.gif|right]]
'''Bates method''', who has time for all of those exercises anyway? Not me! Especially when it does not even work!

Bates method practitioners believe that using [[eye exercise]]s to relieve [[eye strain]] will reverse [[myopia]]. This is false; relieving strain of the [[ciliary muscle]] will treat [[pseudomyopia]], but will not treat [[lens-induced myopia]], which is responsible for most myopia. However, Bates method can not even relieve the ciliary muscles, so it is utterly useless.

To fully understand why Bates does not work you must understand that there are two types of muscles of the eye, [[extraocular muscle]]s and ciliary muscles. Exercises strengthen extraocular muscles but they are only responsible for rotating your eyeballs. Ciliary muscles on the other hand keep things in focus. However, no exercises affect them, as they are smooth muscles which are not consciously controlled (like your gut muscles). Just as you can't give your gut muscles a workout, you can't give your ciliary muscles a workout either. So eye exercises have no benefit for reversing myopia.

The other contributor to myopia is eyeball elongation. No exercises can shorten the eyeballs, unless you consider smashing the eyes an exercise. Even smashing the eyes won't shorten the eyes so you don't need to smash them, '''especially''' when [[Jake Steiner|Jake]] has already invented EndMyopia!

'''In short, forget Bates. Do EndMyopia.'''
==The useless exercises==
===Palming===
Palming is placing hands over the eyes, with the intention of reducing [[myopia]]. This is a [[Bates method]] practice that can be disregarded, as it does not address the causality of how eyesight improves.

Like many Bates method practices, palming may be used to temporarily reduce [[eye strain]]. However, it is always better to resolve the core causes of eye strain, like uncorrected vision and bad computer habits.
===Swinging===
'''Swinging''' is one of the exercises advocated by the [[Bates Method]].

There could be some rationalisation for it : by allowing the [[Visual cortex]] to see different focal planes
moving relative to each other, it gains information about the relative distances of those planes, which it would
not otherwise have (due to [[Myopic blur]]). It might be able to use that extra information in some useful way.

It would do no harm to give it a try while you're looking out the window anyway, while observing the
[[20-20-20-Rule]]. Let us know if you find it helpful. If nothing else, it will give the neighbours
across the road something to talk about.

You could try chanting a mantra at the same time. I can't think of a rationalisation for that,
but it might entertain your cat.

The [[Myopia is Mental]] method extends the idea of swinging to make yourself aware of
objects moving relative to each other as you walk. That is not dissimilar to the rationalisation
above - it could conceivably give some additional depth information.

[[Category:Unicorn Farming]]
[[Category:Articles]]

Axis

2020-06-20T14:18:31Z

Hannie:

'''Axis''' is the orientation of the [[cylinder]] portion of your lens, used to compensate for [[astigmatism]]. You don't have an axis value if you don't have [[astigmatism]]. From the lens wearer's perspective, 0 degrees of axis is horizontal, and increasing values move clockwise around the eye. The axis of cylinder is symmetrical, so it only goes from 0 to 180 degrees.

The axis of astigmatism can be measured with a [[stenopaeic slit]] or [[JCC lens]] but the use of these tools is complex and easily misunderstood, it's usually best to get your axis from your most recent [[prescription]].

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Accommodation

2020-06-20T14:12:39Z

Hannie:

'''Accommodation''' is the ability of the healthy eye to focus on both near and far objects. The relaxed state of the [[ciliary muscle]] is distance vision, and the flexed state is near vision.

=Presbyopia=
As you age, the lens in your eye becomes less flexible. This makes accommodation more difficult and brings on "arms are not long enough to read" symptoms. Someone may be both [[myopic]] and presbyopic, and have deficits in both near and far vision. Your [[Prescription]] will have an "Add" section specifying bifocals or multifocals if you have diagnosed presbyopia, or if your doctor thinks it best to reduce eye strain.

==Bifocals==
Glasses with a lower section that is specifically for close work.

==Multifocals==
Contacts that have sections for near and far work, which the [[visual cortex]] will selectively use when looking at different distances.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Frequently Asked Questions/Skepticism

2020-06-11T15:00:13Z

Hannie:

{{FAQ boxes}}
{{clear}}
==Is EndMyopia a money making scheme?==
EndMyopia is not a money making scheme, despite what everyone seems to think. The way EndMyopia goes about vision improvement money making is pretty terrible, if that's what we're talking about. Expenditure is relatively high and is a net loss for Jake, as we try to get the word out there. [[BackTo20/20]] exists in part just to fund the high costs of keeping everything running.

If EndMyopia wanted to make more money, the way we preach that results are slow and take a long time should be the first to go - we should tell everyone they'll get '''FAST''' results. Also, no information for free, no free wiki or YouTube tutorials, just "trust me!" and big "Buy Now" button. This isn't the case, because EndMyopia is not a money making scheme. This entire wiki was created from the ground up by non-paid volunteers, and [[User:Imperial-beard|Jake rarely if ever edits]]. That amount of dedication is hard to come by for free on the internet, for something that doesn't work.

But hey - [[Bates method]] guys are pretty dedicated too. What do we know? 🤔

[https://endmyopia.org/is-endmyopia-all-about-making-money/ It might not also be such a bad thing that there are paid ways to support EndMyopia]

==Are the bad reviews being hidden?==
The [https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/endmyopia.org TrustPilot page] is pretty impressive with mostly positive feedback.

For discussion about bad reviews, [https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-bad-reviews/ check this blog post out].
==Is it really possible to fix myopia?==
If you listen to us, the answer is an '''unequivocal yes'''. In the vast majority of cases, [[myopia]] is a completely reversible condition of the eye. Myopia is [[lens-induced myopia|lens-induced]] in most cases as a result of questionable optometry practices. Ever question how it's predicted half of the human population will have a severe defect (myopia) in their most important sensory organ by 2050? ''Surely it can't all be genetic...''

With that said, we recommend you do thorough research on topics around vision improvement and come to your own conclusion about whether this is all legitimate or not.
==Are the EndMyopia testimonials fake?==
That's an inordinate amount of money to pay to fake that many reviews. Also add in the cost of 17,000 Facebook members (all of which ''must'' be bots), it's just an inordinate sum. '''How much money do you really think this all makes?''' Certainly not enough to purchase all of those fake reviews we're afraid 😁
==Is this based on clinical science?==
Yes. See [[clinical science]].
==What do doctors think about myopia reversal?==
[https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-friendly-optometrists/ Some optometrists are very supportive]. Others are not so much.

{{divbox|plain|Jake says|Natural myopia control is still very much on the experimental side of things.

Nonetheless, there are lot of licensed professionals interested in more holistic ways of dealing with myopia, than endless lens prescriptions, invasive and dangerous laser surgeries, or poisonous substances (atropine, etc).

You can find a behavioural optometrist who is likely interested in alternatives to above.

There are also individuals like Despina, our own contributing licensed optometrist, who find natural myopia control to be an effective tool to protect their eyesight (of course nothing here on the site is licensed or medical advice, or officially endorsed by the mainstream).

We also get quite a few doctors and health care professionals interested in our method. Take a look here: https://endmyopia.org/the-word-is-getting-out/
}}
==How would I recognise an eyesight scam?==
==What’s the key way to improve my eyesight?==
==Is myopia a disease?==
==Lowering Diopters Doesn’t Improve Eyesight?==

Frequently Asked Questions/Active Focus

2020-06-11T14:48:21Z

Hannie:

{{FAQ boxes}}

==What is Active Focus?==
See [[Active Focus]].
==How do I find Active Focus?==
See [[Guide:How to find Active Focus]], or see the community produced [[EM:writings|writings]] at [[Community:AF]].

Frequently Asked Questions/Mindset

2020-06-11T14:42:41Z

Hannie:

{{FAQ boxes}}

==Speed of improvement==
=====How fast can I improve my eyesight?=====
=====My eyesight is improving slowly. Can I speed it up?=====
=====Why is one eye improving more slowly than the other?=====
=====Why do some improve faster than others?=====

Writing:A little bit of everything

2020-06-04T15:51:03Z

Hannie:

Well actually, it was active focus that found me. I started with a bit of blinking, and renewing the tear film gave me a little extra clarity, which did not last. Then I tried a bit of staring, and there was a bit of clarity that did not last. Then I tried relaxed viewing, and that also worked for a little while. After a month or two of this, active focus found me. I started to see things drift into clarity for a while, and then drift out again, without any intention or conscious effort on my part. This still happens both for close and distant vision. Why is it not continuous? Don't ask me, ask my visual cortex. It will probably tell you that what it is being asked to do is tiring, and it needs a break from time to time.

[[Category:Project AF]]

Writing:Mild Curiosity

2020-06-04T03:56:12Z

Hannie: Created page with "I wasn't looking for ways to reduce my myopia. I had tried the Bates method twice in the past and was unable to sustain the slight improvements it gave me. I had ditched my..."

I wasn't looking for ways to reduce my myopia. I had tried the Bates method twice in the past and was unable to sustain the slight improvements it gave me. I had ditched my glasses other than for driving about 30 years ago, and felt comfortable and sufficiently visually competent for the life I was living. I came across Endmyopia through Jake's interview with Ivor Cummins, and thought I might give it a try. Ditching your glasses is not on the Endmyopia menu, so I hesitated initially when I read about all the reduced glasses I would need. But I planned my reductions, bought a good many pairs of glasses, and soon discovered that I need not have done so. The method seems to work for me without my having to wear glasses. So now I am the black sheep (black swan) of the EM method. The mild curiosity turned into enthusiasm, but I '''DO NOT''' advise you to ditch your glasses.


[[Category:Project Starting EM]]

Writing:A little bit of everything

2020-05-31T15:58:52Z

Hannie: Created page with "Well actually, it was active focus that found me. I started with a bit of blinking, and renewing the tear film gave me a little extra clarity, which did not last. Then I tri..."

Well actually, it was active focus that found me. I started with a bit of blinking, and renewing the tear film gave me a little extra clarity, which did not last. Then I tried a bit of staring, and there was a bit of clarity that did not last. Then I tried relaxed viewing, and that also worked for a little while. After a month or so of this, active focus found me. I started to see things drift into clarity for a while, and then drift out again, without any intention or conscious effort on my part. This still happens both for close and distant vision. Why is it not continuous? Don't ask me, ask my visual cortex. It will probably tell you that what it is being asked to do is tiring, and it needs a break from time to time.

Bifocals

2020-05-31T14:43:35Z

Hannie:

Bifocals are glasses that have two different strengths of lenses depending on where you look through the lens. Typically bifocals for [[presbyopia]] and [[myopia]] have the lower section, for use during reading, 1-2 [[diopters]] weaker than the upper section.
The EM method uses separate [[differentials]] and [[normalized]] lenses rather than bifocals, making it easier to adjust your [[lens selections]] separately.

=See Also=
* [[Multifocal]]

Talk:Astigmatism

2020-05-31T14:35:56Z

Hannie:

Divenal: perhaps start out saying what it actually is. It says what causes it, but not what it actually is. I guess is something like the acuity depends on the angle of what you're looking it. So vertical lines might appear clearer than horizontal lines. (Wish I knew, I'm new here !)
: {{re|Divenal}} That's how I wanted to tackle it, but I could find no way to do so simply, as it manifests differently in different people. I thought the little illustration in Jake's video showed well enough how the 'scattered' light hits the retina at different places causing distorted or multiple images.. Please go ahead and start off with what you come up with as to what it is.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 14:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Bates Method

2020-05-31T14:17:23Z

Hannie:

{{re|NottNott}} I have made a small edit here, similar to another one I made on another topic - and I think they both come from you. I have changed '''the vast majority of myopia''' to '''most myopia'''. This was not only on account of what could be seen as an over-exaggeration, but because of a grammatical issue. Majority relates to a number, and myopia is an uncountable noun. So if you wanted to stick to the original formulation you would have to say '''vast majority of cases of myopia''', which sounds a bit clumsy to me. Sorry, I did warn you that a free grammar lesson might ensue (apologetic look). By the way, how do I get to use emoji here? [[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 13:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Hannie}} Just edit the articles, I'm gonna pass on the grammar explanations as much as possible. You'll just annoy me if you keep doing this 🤦‍♂️

:You can insert emojis with Windows key + full stop if you're on Windows 10. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 13:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|NottNott}} Understood - no way I would want to annoy you.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 14:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Bates Method

2020-05-31T13:48:03Z

Hannie: Created page with "{{re|NottNott}} I have made a small edit here, similar to another one I made on another topic - and I think they both come from you. I have changed '''the vast majority of my..."

Bates Method

2020-05-31T13:29:08Z

Hannie:

Bates method, who has time for all of those exercises anyway? Not me!

Bates method practitioners believe that using [[eye exercise]]s to relieve [[eye strain]] will reverse [[myopia]]. This is false; relieving strain of the [[ciliary muscle]] will treat [[pseudomyopia]], but will not treat [[lens-induced myopia]], which is responsible for most myopia.

==The exercises==
* [[Palming]]
* [[Swinging]]

[[Category:Unicorn Farming]]

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T08:29:35Z

Hannie: /* typos */

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==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|Nott]][[User talk:NottNott|Nott]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Dlskidmore}} If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us. {{smiley}}

:If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out [[User:NottNott/sandbox]] for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.
:{{re|Hannie}} {{done}}

:There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks, found it.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Hannie}} Two colons to reply to a single colon. {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|NottNott}} I will get the hang of this sooner or later.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

::::{{re|Hannie}} You will {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T08:22:15Z

Hannie: /* typos */

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:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Dlskidmore}} If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us. {{smiley}}

:If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out [[User:NottNott/sandbox]] for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]]| [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
|}
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.
:{{re|Hannie}} {{done}}

:There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks, found it.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Hannie}} Two colons to reply to a single colon. {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|NottNott I will get the hang of this sooner or later.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T08:21:21Z

Hannie: /* typos */

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==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|Nott]][[User talk:NottNott|Nott]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Dlskidmore}} If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us. {{smiley}}

:If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out [[User:NottNott/sandbox]] for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]]| [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
|}
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.
:{{re|Hannie}} {{done}}

:There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks, found it.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Hannie}} Two colons to reply to a single colon. {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|NotNott I will get the hang of this sooner or later.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T08:20:36Z

Hannie: /* typos */

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This is my talk page, where you can send me messages. Be sure to read [[EM:Talk pages]] before doing so!

==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|Nott]][[User talk:NottNott|Nott]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Dlskidmore}} If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us. {{smiley}}

:If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out [[User:NottNott/sandbox]] for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]]| [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
|}
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.
:{{re|Hannie}} {{done}}

:There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks, found it.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Hannie}} Two colons to reply to a single colon. {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|NotNott I will get the hang of this sooner or later.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T08:09:56Z

Hannie: /* typos */

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T07:59:51Z

Hannie: /* typos */

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This is my talk page, where you can send me messages. Be sure to read [[EM:Talk pages]] before doing so!

==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|Nott]][[User talk:NottNott|Nott]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]]| [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
|}
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.

User talk:NottNott

2020-05-31T07:51:00Z

Hannie: /* typos */ new section

{{DISPLAYTITLE:User talk:NottNott}}

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<center>{{Talk header}}</center>
This is my talk page, where you can send me messages. Be sure to read [[EM:Talk pages]] before doing so!

==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|Nott]][[User talk:NottNott|Nott]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|Denise Skidmore]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== reddit ==

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.

:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

== [[Template:Navbox]] ==

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

== References ==

Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Test ==

{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

== Copy wrong ==

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Nott Nott Barnstar ==

{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif|100px]]| [[File:Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif|100px]]}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Tireless Contributor Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
|}
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

== Sidebar. ==

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

== Experimenting ==

I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}

:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

== typos ==

there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. I have done so on my talk page.

User talk:Hannie

2020-05-31T07:42:53Z

Hannie:

==Welcome to EndMyopia Wiki! 👓==
Hannie, welcome to EndMyopia Wiki.

We hope you'll have a good time here, writing about [[eyeballs]]. Every article is important to empower [[myope]]s to improve their eyesight. 📚🤓

The objective of EndMyopia Wiki is to build '''the best vision improvement encyclopedia possible'''. Please write articles of interest to you. EndMyopia receives a lot more [[EM:user traffic|user traffic]] than you might think at first. On [[EM:social media|social media]] the community receives plenty of questions about vision improvement, particularly in the Facebook group and in YouTube comments every day. If you can help write articles that address these common questions, you will be helping a lot of people! 🤠

Please read the following before editing:
*[[Help:How to contribute]] if you are unsure how to edit wiki articles
*[[EM:Policies]] for important information on the way articles are written here

If you have any questions about editing the wiki, you will likely get a fast response from the [{{discord}} Discord server]. If there are any suggestions for improvement, [[User talk:NottNott|please contact NottNott]]. Happy editing! 🧾

-- [[User:NottNott|NottNott]] ([[User talk:NottNott|talk]]) 13:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Astigmatism

2020-05-31T05:17:12Z

Hannie:

You have astigmatism, maybe a lot of it, maybe only a little. Of course you want to deal with this as well. You need to start with understanding what causes it. Astigmatism is caused by an irregularly shaped cornea or lens. The first is called corneal astigmatism, which is the more common form, and the second is called lenticular astigmatism. Here is a good introduction to astigmatism https://endmyopia.org/the-definitive-guide-astigmatism/.
How do you reduce it? Well, in the same way as you reduce your myopia, in small steps. If you have only a small amount of astigmatism, say .25D, you could drop your astigmatism correction straight away. If you have a lot, it will be more complicated to tackle. There are many videos and articles on the website relating to astigmatism, which you will find if you type astigmatism in the search bar.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Articles]]

Guide:Start your improvement here

2020-05-30T07:58:05Z

Hannie:

[[File:EMBoxLogoTransparent.png|right|200px]]
'''Welcome to EndMyopia''', the best place anywhere on the internet for regaining your own [[natural eyesight]] and reversing your [[myopia]].

Knowledge is really key when it comes to making long-term improvements in your eyesight. You should watch as many of the videos listed below as you can, and comprehensively review the [{{yt}} YouTube channel] and [{{em}} the blog] throughout your journey.
==Why your myopia happened in the first place==
::[[Ex:Eyes get worse|Main article]]
::'''[https://vimeo.com/370725217 Animated explanation]'''

Most myopia in the world today is [[lens-induced myopia]], caused by [[hyperopic defocus]] due to wearing full strength prescription glasses while engaged in [[close work]].

==Starting out==

::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6mJr16huk '''Start Here: Improve your Eyesight''']

You can sign up for the comprehensive free 7-day email course at the bottom of the [{{em}} EndMyopia website].

==Good resources and articles for newcomers==
[[File:Cute cat with glasses and tie reading laptop.gif|right|thumb|Seriously, read this stuff.]]
The [{{yt}} EndMyopia YouTube channel] and [{{em}} the blog] are invaluable resources for improving your eyesight.

Experience has shown many times that without adequate knowledge of the process, people are really unlikely to make any improvements in their eyesight. There is always more to learn about vision improvement, and you should not be afraid to spend significant amounts of time reading the resources already available to you.

You are likely to make mistakes along this journey: there is trial and error as you perfect the approach taken to improving vision. The basic ideas are really simple to understand, but there is a lot of nuance in how to apply them, and this can take time to understand fully.
====Differentials====
* [https://endmyopia.org/day-67-differential-glasses-for-close-up-use Proper differentials for starters]

====Normalized====
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9JphYXQ6A Super Simple 20/50 Rule For Improving Eyesight]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzrQb4pCFkQ (How To) Reduce Normalized Diopters (The Guru Way)]
====Active Focus====
*[https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ There is a category of blog posts about Active Focus here.]
====Measurement tools====
* [https://endmyopia.org/focal-calculator/calc.html EndMyopia cm calculator]
* [https://endmyopia.org/charts/ Charts]
* [https://endmyopia.org/measure/ Measurement]
* [https://testflight.apple.com/join/wuAvRvdL The iOS Sight Meter App]
* [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.endmyopia.calc The Android Diopter Calculator]
* [http://michna.com/georg/vision_log_tool_0.1.2.zip Vision log tool for Windows]
====Low myopia====
* [https://endmyopia.org/low-myopia/ Blog posts about dealing with low myopia]

==Troubleshooting==
Consult the [https://endmyopia.org/faqs/ FAQ] (Frequently Asked Questions). They are very extensive and may very well answer your questions.
Did you see endmyopia's [https://endmyopia.org/ blog section]? Hover over (with your mouse) “Blog and How-to’s” and check the “Eyesight How-To’s” and any other sections relevant to you.
Search the blog. Do you know how to search the [https://endmyopia.org/ blog]? Hit the 🔍️ in the upper right corner and fill in the relevant search item there.

Here are some search terms to help you get started:

* “first differentials” and “first normalized”.
* For astigmatism: “(reducing) prescription complexity”, “Astigmatism”, “Cylinder”, “diopter ratio”,
* Do you have one “weaker/stronger” eye? Search for: “(reducing) prescription complexity”, “dominant eye” and “diopter ratio”.
==Community==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLgB_5pbB86Gi1qKX9AGVmzqjmWjgQPXQV&v=5Q8D6zWhZno Here is a playlist of student made updates, in the process of improving their eyesight]
* [[Youtubers|Here is a non comprehensive list of EndMyopia channels (work in progress)]]

==See also==

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Guides]]

Endmyopia:Our point of view

2020-05-27T12:23:30Z

Hannie:

{{Eyegurudecree|EM:THEBEST|EM:OPOV}}
{{Nutshell|EndMyopia Wiki is written from '''our point of view'''. We try to be objective in our assessment of other vision improvement methods, but if they worked better than EndMyopia '''we would be doing that instead'''.|EndMyopia Wiki is '''under no obligation''' to host material promoting other vision improvement methods.|Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! Feel free to try other methods.}}

EndMyopia Wiki is written from '''our point of view'''. That means '''we think we're the best'''.

There are big checks and balances on thinking we're the best, however. It is not a position that the community comes to lightly, and there is plenty of internal debate over what is important and what is not important when it comes to vision improvement. With that said, there are quite a few things everyone 'under the banner of EM' has managed to agree on. Here are some examples:
:'''[[Eye exercises]] are largely ineffectual and a waste of time.''' The [[Bates method]] was very good for its time, and [[William Bates]] had some very good ideas about vision biology. The Bates method could be very good for relaxing the eyes.
::However the method as it exists does not treat the root cause of myopia as it exists in the majority of people today - which is [[lens-induced myopia]] caused by [[hyperopic defocus]], as documented in [[clinical studies]].
:'''[[Ayurveda]], [[healing crystals]] and other [[natural healing]] methods have little basis in science and our view is that they should be given little credibility. '''
::This stuff is great at making people feel really good about themselves, which is not a bad thing. However, it is next to worthless for actually fixing the root cause of your myopia. How many people who practice this stuff get real, confirmed improvement in [[eye tests]] from licensed [[optometrist]]s? We're sure they feel '''AMAZING''' however {{smiley}}

==Rationale==
We don't want to promote content that we '''genuinely think is not worth hosting'''. You can find objective assessment of other vision improvement methods we know to be less effective on here, and the article will cover the good and bad of them. What you '''won't find''', are long love letters about how magic healing crystals will improve your eyesight. Because they won't {{grey|{{resize|65%|(much as we wish they would...)}}}}.

Would you expect to go to a Bates method website and see loads of positive stuff about EndMyopia? We wouldn't have thought so!

==What this policy doesn't mean==
It does not mean that people should not investigate how eyesight works, as there is still plenty to learn about and discuss. We're confident that we know how to fix it, and while there may be some gaps in our knowledge, we think we have covered the basics. With that said, questioning is always a good idea, for anyone. Critical thinking is important, and you shouldn't [[blind belief|blindly believe things]] you read on the internet.

We hope you apply some good investigative insight, read information from many different sources about vision improvement, and '''come to your own conclusions''' about what is the best thing to do for your eyesight.

Endmyopia:Our point of view

2020-05-27T05:40:54Z

Hannie:

{{Eyegurudecree|EM:THEBEST|EM:BPOV}}
{{Nutshell|EndMyopia Wiki is written from a '''biased point of view'''. We try to be objective in our assessment of other vision improvement methods, but if they worked better than EndMyopia '''we would be doing that instead'''.|EndMyopia Wiki is '''under no obligation''' to host material promoting other vision improvement methods.|Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! Feel free to try other methods.}}

EndMyopia Wiki is written from a '''biased point of view'''. In contrast to more objective resources, such as [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] with their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:NPOV|neutral point of view]] policy, we are openly written from a biased point of view. That means '''we think we're the best'''.

There are big checks and balances on thinking we're the best, however. It is not a position that the community comes to lightly, and there is plenty of internal debate over what is important and what is not important when it comes to vision improvement. With that said, there are quite a few things everyone 'under the banner of EM' has managed to agree on. Here are some examples:
:'''[[Eye exercises]] are largely ineffectual and a waste of time.''' The [[Bates method]] was very good for its time, and [[William Bates]] had some very good ideas about vision biology. The Bates method could be very good for relaxing the eyes.
::However the method as it exists does not treat the root cause of myopia as it exists in the majority of people today - which is [[lens-induced myopia]] caused by [[hyperopic defocus]], as documented in [[clinical studies]].
:'''[[Ayurveda]], [[healing crystals]] and other [[natural healing]] stuff is pseudoscience nonsense that can be dismissed out of hand. It's dumb.'''
::This stuff is great at making people feel really good about themselves, which is not entirely a bad thing. However, it is next to worthless for actually fixing the root cause of your myopia. How many people who practice this stuff get real, confirmed improvement in [[eye tests]] from licensed [[optometrist]]s? We're sure they feel '''AMAZING''' however {{smiley}}
==Rationale==
We don't want to promote content that we '''genuinely think is not worth hosting'''. You can find objective assessment of other vision improvement methods we know to be less effective on here, and the article will cover the good and bad of it. What you '''won't find''', are long love letters about how magic healing crystals and will improve your eyesight. Because they won't. {{grey|{{resize|65%|(as much as we wish they would...)}}}}

Would you expect to go to a Bates method website and see loads of positive stuff about EndMyopia? We wouldn't have thought so!

==What this policy doesn't mean==
It does not mean that people should not investigate how eyesight works, as there is still plenty to learn about and discuss. We're fairly confident that we know exactly how to fix it, and while there may be gaps in our knowledge here and there, most of it is completely right. With that said, questioning is always a good idea, for anyone. Critical thinking is important, and you shouldn't [[blind belief|blindly believe things]] you read on the internet.

We hope you apply some good investigative insight, read information from many different sources about vision improvement and you '''come to your own conclusions''' about what is the best thing to do for your eyesight.

Guide:Start your improvement here

2020-05-25T13:59:36Z

Hannie:

Welcome to EndMyopia, the place where you can regain your own natural eyesight and reverse your myopia. To help you get started we kindly ask you to watch the videos listed below and read carefully through the accompanying sections.

So what’s the basic premise for how myopia happened in the first place? [https://vimeo.com/370725217 This animation] should help you understand that in quite a well laid out manner.

A general explanation of the concepts we use is to be found here:
https://endmyopia.org/how-to-eyesight-improve-five-steps/

Here’s the official '''Start Here: Improve your Eyesight''' video to give you more insight into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU6mJr16huk

Are you intrigued yet? Why not sign up for the comprehensive and free 7-day email course? After that you can consider if you want a mentored and structured approach or want to undertake this endeavor on your own. Have a look here:
https://endmyopia.org/consultations/

Are you already familiar with these concepts and the 7-day free email guide? Here are some more advanced tips to get you under way:

* How do you get to the proper differentials for starters? Read [https://endmyopia.org/day-67-differential-glasses-for-close-up-use this] (again).

* What about your first normalized? See EndMyopia’s explanatory videos on that here:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI9JphYXQ6A Super Simple 20/50 Rule For Improving Eyesight]
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzrQb4pCFkQ (How To) Reduce Normalized Diopters (The Guru Way)]

* So, what’s this Active Focus (AF) thing that’s constantly coming up? Have a look here:
https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/

* Grab your eye-charts and measurement tools here:
https://endmyopia.org/charts/
https://endmyopia.org/measure/

* Extremely useful vision measuring and digital computer tools:
[https://testflight.apple.com/join/wuAvRvdL The iOS Sight Meter App]
[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.endmyopia.calc The Android Diopter Calculator]
[http://michna.com/georg/vision_log_tool_0.1.2.zip Vision log tool for Windows]

* Please do not forget to utilize the tried and true EM centimeter calculator here:
https://endmyopia.org/focal-calculator/calc.html

* Did you come here with low myopia or have you come to that stage? Look here for some information that may be of use:
https://endmyopia.org/low-myopia/

* Do you want to hear about all of this from someone else? Go ahead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLgB_5pbB86Gi1qKX9AGVmzqjmWjgQPXQV&v=5Q8D6zWhZno

* Are you still having questions? The following tools are at your disposal:

Consult the [https://endmyopia.org/faqs/ FAQ] (Frequently Asked Questions). They are very extensive and may very well answer your questions.
Did you see endmyopia’s [https://endmyopia.org/ blog section]? Hover over (with your mouse) “Blog and How-to’s” and check the “Eyesight How-To’s” and any other relevant sections for you.
Search the blog. Do you know how to search the [https://endmyopia.org/ blog]? Hit the 🔍️ in the upper right corner and fill out the relevant search items there.

* We’ve got some search terms to help you get started:

“first differentials” and “first normalized”.
For astigmatism: “(reducing) prescription complexity”, “Astigmatism”, “Cylinder”, “diopter ratio”,
Do you have one “weaker/stronger” eye? Search for: “(reducing) prescription complexity”, “dominant eye” and “diopter ratio”.

Check out Endmyopia’s [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEhYxefHylpSgoiXDWcBrlA Youtube] Channel, there’s lots of great and informative stuff for you to take a look at.

Keep a log of your measurements, progress and post updates to share with and inspire others. Good luck!
==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Guides]]

Diopters

2020-05-25T13:41:42Z

Hannie:

Diopter is a measure of the power of a [[lens]] (or mirror). It is equal to 1/[[focal length]] in meters. In EM we refer to the [[cm measurement]] to calculate diopters needed to correct [[refraction]] of the eye. If you can see 50cm clearly your diopters will be 1/0.5=2 diopters.

Diopters cancel each other. If you're wearing -2 diopter contacts adjusted for glasses strength and put +1 diopter reading glasses over the contacts you're in effect wearing -1 diopters.
A lens with a negative diopter sign compensates for [[nearsightedness]] while a lens with a positive diopter sign compensates for [[farsightedness]]

Approximate categorizations of myopia by lens power:

0.00 - -0.75 - Probably don't need glasses

-1.00 - -2.00 - Mild myopia, no [[differentials]] needed

-2.00 - -5.00 - Moderate myopia, glasses always needed

-5.00 - -10.00 - High myopia

-10.00+ - Very high myopia. Field of view significantly reduced.
==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Articles]]

EndMyopia Wiki

2020-05-25T13:31:44Z

Hannie:

__NOTOC__
{{DISPLAYTITLE:EndMyopia Wiki}}
[[File:EMWikiLogoBoxWhite.png|right]]
Welcome to EndMyopia Wiki, the '''vision improvement encyclopedia'''.

EndMyopia is based on the premise that '''[[myopia]] is just a refractive state, and not an irreversible medical condition''', as has been demonstrated in [https://endmyopia.org/success countless improvement cases] over many years. Many students have managed to completely reverse their myopia and regain [[20/20 eyesight]].

EndMyopia does not exist as a quick-fix money-making scheme, and although there is a [[BackTo20/20|paid course]], it is entirely optional when it comes to improving your eyesight. All the information you need is available on the [{{EM}} main website] in the blog articles, the [{{YT}} YouTube channel], and EndMyopia Wiki, where you are now.
:''Reasonable suspicion should be involved while reading, and any normal person really shouldn't [[blind belief|blindly believe]] this. (although you are welcome to)''
:''There's a lot of [[Unicorn Farming|weird and ineffectual stuff]] related to vision improvement on the internet. EndMyopia doesn't involve silly eye exercises and routinely makes fun of people who do them.''

The wiki is [[EM:CC BY-SA 4.0|entirely free to use and share]] and is written by contributors like you. Most editors have had some degree of success in improving their eyesight, otherwise they wouldn't have any interest in writing an entire wiki. ;)

You may be interested in the [{{ForumQuiz}} EndMyopia Forum], the [{{discord}} Discord server], or the [{{facebook}} Facebook group].

[[File:Adorable cute kitten tapping on Macbook.gif|right|300px]]
<center>'''[[Legal:No medical advice|EndMyopia does not provide medical advice]].'''</center>

'''Wow, there are already {{NUMBEROFPAGES}} pages and {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} edits.'''

'''So far {{NUMBEROFUSERS}} [[Special:ListUsers|users]] are registered. [https://wiki.endmyopia.org/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Main+Page Create an account here].'''

 
==Guides & Explainers==
* [[Guide:Start your improvement here|Start your improvement here]]
* [[Guide:Reducing|Reducing your correction]]
* [[Guide:Reading glasses prescriptions|How to read glasses prescriptions]]
* [[Guide:How to measure your eyesight|How to measure your eyesight]]
* [[Explainer:Why myopia gets worse over time|Why myopia gets worse over time]]

==EndMyopia Concepts==
* [[Differentials]]
* [[Normalized]]
* [[Active Focus]]
* [[Measurement]]
==Vision==
* [[Diopters]]
* [[Pseudomyopia]]
* [[Snellen Chart]]
* [[Lens Induced Myopia]]
* [[Near Work]]
==EndMyopia Resources==
* [{{EM}} The Blog]
* [{{yt}} YouTube channel]
* [[The Shortsighted Podcast]]
==Frequently Asked Questions==
* [[Frequently Asked Questions]]
==Contributing to the Wiki==
<center>'''We now have a list of basic policies! [[{{ns:4}}:Policies]]</center>
<center>'''The basics of how the wiki can be edited, found here: [[Help:How to contribute]]'''</center>
* Please feel free to make any and all changes that '''you '''think will improve the wiki. If in doubt, make the change.
* Search for existing articles before making redlinks to articles that already exist.
* Check out the sidebar to the left to find the ToDo list for everyone as a community.
'''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rph_1DODXDU Have fun editing.]'''