Talk:Active Focus - Revision history

Divenal: don't think this needs to be marked as active discussion any more

2020-06-18T17:13:30Z

don't think this needs to be marked as active discussion any more

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	A place to discuss the [[Active Focus]] page. [[User:Sam.Watson\|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson\|talk]]) 21:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)		A place to discuss the [[Active Focus]] page. [[User:Sam.Watson\|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson\|talk]]) 21:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Divenal: /* Accommodation */

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Accommodation

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	:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{re\|SilentNote}} is it actually established that AF is related to accommodation ? It's certainly a possible mechanism, of course. (And I am rather liking it.) But is it doctrine ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])		::{{re\|SilentNote}} is it actually established that AF is related to accommodation ? It's certainly a possible mechanism, of course. (And I am rather liking it.) But is it doctrine ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])
			::Okay, I see https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ calls it semi-voluntary control. [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])

Divenal: /* Excessive sharpness */ resolved now

2020-06-18T17:08:44Z

Excessive sharpness: resolved now

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	"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)		<s>"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)</s>

	==Accommodation==		==Accommodation==

Divenal: /* Accommodation */

2020-06-11T19:14:33Z

Accommodation

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	:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
			::{{re\|SilentNote}} is it actually established that AF is related to accommodation ? It's certainly a possible mechanism, of course. (And I am rather liking it.) But is it doctrine ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])

Heddy: /* Principle vs activity */

2020-06-11T17:14:34Z

Principle vs activity

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	:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
			::I see. No objection from me. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 17:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	==Excessive sharpness==		==Excessive sharpness==

NottNott at 16:22, 11 June 2020

2020-06-11T16:22:19Z

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	A place to discuss the [[Active Focus]] page. [[User:Sam.Watson\|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson\|talk]]) 21:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)		A place to discuss the [[Active Focus]] page. [[User:Sam.Watson\|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson\|talk]]) 21:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

SilentNote at 14:16, 11 June 2020

2020-06-11T14:16:00Z

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	Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

SilentNote at 14:12, 11 June 2020

2020-06-11T14:12:18Z

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	:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/~~Active~~ Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	==Excessive sharpness==		==Excessive sharpness==

SilentNote at 14:10, 11 June 2020

2020-06-11T14:10:27Z

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	Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??		:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

SilentNote at 14:09, 11 June 2020

2020-06-11T14:09:59Z

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	:Welcome to the wiki, {{u\|SilentNote}} . First rule of <s>fight club</s> the wiki: [[EM:be bold\|be bold]] and change things, discuss things only if your changes get reverted or someone flags them up. {{wink}} -[[User:NottNott\|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott\|talk]])</small> 16:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)		:Welcome to the wiki, {{u\|SilentNote}} . First rule of <s>fight club</s> the wiki: [[EM:be bold\|be bold]] and change things, discuss things only if your changes get reverted or someone flags them up. {{wink}} -[[User:NottNott\|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott\|talk]])</small> 16:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

			:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/Active Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	==Excessive sharpness==		==Excessive sharpness==

	"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)		"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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	Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

			:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??

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	:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. The reason I wrote these sentences is to differentiate the conscious control of skeletal muscles vs autonomic control of smooth muscles without being too technical. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
	::{{re\|SilentNote}} is it actually established that AF is related to accommodation ? It's certainly a possible mechanism, of course. (And I am rather liking it.) But is it doctrine ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])		::{{re\|SilentNote}} is it actually established that AF is related to accommodation ? It's certainly a possible mechanism, of course. (And I am rather liking it.) But is it doctrine ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])
			::Okay, I see https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/ calls it semi-voluntary control. [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]])

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	:Welcome to the wiki, {{u\|SilentNote}} . First rule of <s>fight club</s> the wiki: [[EM:be bold\|be bold]] and change things, discuss things only if your changes get reverted or someone flags them up. {{wink}} -[[User:NottNott\|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott\|talk]])</small> 16:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)		:Welcome to the wiki, {{u\|SilentNote}} . First rule of <s>fight club</s> the wiki: [[EM:be bold\|be bold]] and change things, discuss things only if your changes get reverted or someone flags them up. {{wink}} -[[User:NottNott\|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott\|talk]])</small> 16:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
	:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		:{{Re\|SilentNote}} Yes, it's a principle as defined on Jake's blog. An example of an activity would be print pushing. [[User:Heddy\|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy\|talk]]) 13:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

			:{{Re\|Heddy}} I know Jake has attempted to describe it as a principle, but he also says "Active focus is a key activity..." in this page [https://endmyopia.org/active-focus-links/Active Focus: The Link List (+ Video Explainer)]. I think Jake wants to call it a principle because he wants to differentiate it from eye exercises. However, it still makes no sense to call it a principle, because most people consider active focus as something they do, as in "do active focus". One cannot do a principle.[[User:SilentNote\|SilentNote]] ([[User talk:SilentNote\|talk]]) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

	==Excessive sharpness==		==Excessive sharpness==

	"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)		"excessive sharpness is the stimulus that increases the axial length of the eye"... that's a new one. Do we know what that means, and is there evidence that it causes elongation ? [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 16:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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	Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)		Is this stuff relevant ? Accommodation (by the usual definition) is about increasing focusing power to focus on nearer objects. AF is about trying resolve myopic blur, which means (somehow) reducing focusing power. (There are some heretical discussions on the forum about possible links, but ...) [[User:Divenal\|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal\|talk]]) 11:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

			:{{re\|Divenal}} 1)Accommodation is the process of bringing a subject into focus. It is not limited to an increase in power alone [https://medicine.uiowa.edu/eye/patient-care/glossary-eye-terms Glossary of Eye Terms]. 2)Wait... are we not doing links??