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==Is EndMyopia a money making scheme?==
==Is EndMyopia a money making scheme?==
EndMyopia is not a money making scheme, despite what everyone seems to think. The way EndMyopia goes about vision improvement money making is pretty terrible, if that's what we're talking about. Expenditure is relatively high and is a net loss for Jake, as we try to get the word out there. [[BackTo20/20]] exists in part just to fund the high costs of keeping everything running.
EndMyopia is not a money making scheme, despite what a lot of people seem to think. The way EndMyopia goes about vision improvement money making is pretty terrible, if that's what we're talking about. Expenditure is relatively high and is a net loss for Jake, as we try to get the word out there. [[BackTo20/20]] exists in part just to fund the high costs of keeping everything running.


If EndMyopia wanted to make more money, the way we preach that results are slow and take a long time should be the first to go - we should tell everyone they'll get '''FAST''' results. Also, no information for free, no free wiki or YouTube tutorials, just "trust me!" and big "Buy Now" button. This isn't the case, because EndMyopia is not a money making scheme. This entire wiki was created from the ground up by non-paid volunteers, and [[User:Imperial-beard|Jake rarely if ever edits]]. That amount of dedication is hard to come by for free on the internet, for something that doesn't work.
If EndMyopia wanted to make more money, the way we preach that results are slow and take a long time should be the first to go - we should tell everyone they'll get '''FAST''' results. Also, no information for free, no free wiki or YouTube tutorials, just "trust me!" and big "Buy Now" button. This isn't the case, because EndMyopia is not a money making scheme. This entire wiki was created from the ground up by non-paid volunteers, and Jake <s>rarely if ever edits</s> [[User:Imperial-beard|doesn't edit]]. That amount of dedication is hard to come by for free on the internet, for something that doesn't work.


But hey - [[Bates method]] guys are pretty dedicated too. What do we know? 🤔
But hey - [[Bates method]] guys are pretty dedicated too. What do we know? 🤔


[https://endmyopia.org/is-endmyopia-all-about-making-money/ It might not also be such a bad thing that there are paid ways to support EndMyopia]
[https://endmyopia.org/is-endmyopia-all-about-making-money/ See this blog post for information about why, paid stuff might not be all that bad]
==Does Jake invest in lens manufacturing companies?==
 
[https://endmyopia.org/about-us/ Yes.]


==Are the bad reviews being hidden?==
==Are the bad reviews being hidden?==
The [https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/endmyopia.org TrustPilot page] is pretty impressive with mostly positive feedback.
The [https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/endmyopia.org TrustPilot page] is pretty impressive with mostly positive feedback.


For discussion about bad reviews, [https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-bad-reviews/ check this blog post out].
Blog post: [https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-bad-reviews/ Endmyopia: All The Bad Reviews O_0]
 
There's people who did EM and also regressed.
 
==Is it really possible to fix myopia?==
==Is it really possible to fix myopia?==
If you listen to us, the answer is an '''unequivocal yes'''. In the vast majority of cases, [[myopia]] is a completely reversible condition of the eye. Myopia is [[lens-induced myopia|lens-induced]] in most cases as a result of questionable optometry practices. Ever question how it's predicted half of the human population will have a severe defect (myopia) in their most important sensory organ by 2050? ''Surely it can't all be genetic...''
If you listen to us, the answer is an '''unequivocal yes'''. In the vast majority of cases, [[myopia]] is a completely reversible condition of the eye. Myopia is [[lens-induced myopia|lens-induced]] in most cases as a result of questionable optometry practices. Ever question how it's predicted half of the human population will have a severe defect (myopia) in their most important sensory organ by 2050? ''Surely it can't all be genetic...''


With that said, we recommend you do thorough research on topics around vision improvement and come to your own conclusion about whether this is all legitimate or not.
With that said, we recommend you do thorough research on topics around vision improvement and come to your own conclusion about whether this is all legitimate or not.
==Lowering diopters doesn’t improve eyesight?==
[https://endmyopia.org/success/ Tell that to the hundreds of people who have confirmed results with EndMyopia], the endless emails [[Jake]] receives in his inbox on a daily basis (had to hire an email manager to go through them all), and the growing number of [[List:YouTubers|YouTube channels]] with testimonials backing up what we say here.
But you're right, this is probably all some scam. A scam where we don't actually try too hard to sell you anything 🤔
==Are the EndMyopia testimonials fake?==
==Are the EndMyopia testimonials fake?==
That's an inordinate amount of money to pay to fake that many reviews. Also add in the cost of 17,000 Facebook members (all of which ''must'' be bots), it's just an inordinate sum. '''How much money do you really think this all makes?''' Certainly not enough to purchase all of those fake reviews we're afraid 😁
That's an inordinate amount of money to pay to fake that many reviews. Also add in the cost of 17,000 Facebook members (all of which ''must'' be bots), it's just an inordinate sum. '''How much money do you really think this all makes?''' Certainly not enough to purchase all of those fake reviews we're afraid 😁
==Is this based on clinical science?==
==Is this based on clinical science?==
Yes. See [[clinical science]].
Yes. See [[clinical science]].
==Is this pseudoscience?==
Yes. Much of EndMyopia theory is based on clinical science, but the details of Jake's research on his clients are not publicly shared or published.  Jake will be the first to tell you he's not an eye doctor.<ref>https://endmyopia.org/quantifying-natural-myopia-reversal-logging-tool-update/</ref>
==Is axial elongation of the eye reversible?==
* Blog post: [https://endmyopia.org/eyes-in-various-species-can-shorten-to-compensate-for-myopic-defocus/ Eyes in Various Species Can Shorten to Compensate for Myopic Defocus]
==What do doctors think about myopia reversal?==
==What do doctors think about myopia reversal?==
[https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-friendly-optometrists/ Some optometrists are very supportive]. Others are not so much.
[https://endmyopia.org/endmyopia-friendly-optometrists/ Some optometrists are very supportive]. [https://www.reddit.com/r/glasses/ Others] are [https://www.quora.com/Is-endmymyopia-orgs-information-true-Can-myopia-really-be-reversible/answer/Por-Yong-Ming?ch=15&oid=249656063&share=a3a5dd74&srid=kGuQA&target_type=answer&fbclid=IwAR2757OkDXD8mHyd2a7Thcv_1-9WUIKs1ORyESfe6CfCYvfn1XFjiP04Kqs not so much].


{{divbox|plain|Jake says|Natural myopia control is still very much on the experimental side of things.
{{Jake says|Natural myopia control is still very much on the experimental side of things.


Nonetheless, there are lot of licensed professionals interested in more holistic ways of dealing with myopia, than endless lens prescriptions, invasive and dangerous laser surgeries, or poisonous substances (atropine, etc).
Nonetheless, there are lot of licensed professionals interested in more holistic ways of dealing with myopia, than endless lens prescriptions, invasive and dangerous laser surgeries, or poisonous substances (atropine, etc).
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You can find a behavioural optometrist who is likely interested in alternatives to above.
You can find a behavioural optometrist who is likely interested in alternatives to above.


There is also individuals like Despina, our own contributing licensed optometrist, who find natural myopia control to be an effective tool to protect their eyesight (of course nothing here on the site is licensed or medical advice, or officially endorsed by the mainstream).
There are also individuals like Despina, our own contributing licensed optometrist, who find natural myopia control to be an effective tool to protect their eyesight (of course nothing here on the site is licensed or medical advice, or officially endorsed by the mainstream).
 
We also get quite a few doctors and health care professionals interested in our method.  Take a look here:  https://endmyopia.org/the-word-is-getting-out/}}
[[Dr._Carr|Dr. Carr]] thinks the way EndMyopia works is actually that we're flattening our lenses.  There is apparently a forum conversation with Dr. Carr if you have access to the forum.


We also get quite a few doctors and health care professionals interested in our method.  Take a look here:  https://endmyopia.org/the-word-is-getting-out/
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==How would I recognise an eyesight scam?==
==How would I recognise an eyesight scam?==
A massive '''"BUY NOW"''' button is always something to be concerned about. We're very clear about the fact you do not need to purchase anything from us to improve your eyesight.
Anything that preaches [[eye exercises]] and feel good stuff like [[healing crystals]] is also not going to improve your eyesight, but it will make the person who buys these things ''feel'' as if they are improving their eyesight.
{{jake says|First, you want to make a finer distinction, between the well-intentioned by nonetheless worthless content online, and genuinely willful scams.
The well-intentioned usually fall into the Bates method category.  Bates was an early 20th century practitioner who found a workable solution to deal with pseudo myopia.  Unfortunately most myopia today is of the lens-induced, progressive sort, so Bates practices don’t apply.  Sites that promote Bates usually don’t have the training or education to fully understand the underlying biology that they are trying to repair.  Because of that, while often well-intentioned, these types of approaches tend to fail for most people.
Well-intentioned sites are often not easy to assess, since they can have a loyal following and strong supporters.  The best way to tell is to understand the basic premises of myopia yourself (the two stages, ciliary vs lens-induced, strain, axial elongation, etc).  With that, you can look at their premise and get an idea of whether a) they know what they are talking about and b) whether their method deals with real causes in a meaningful way.
Does it sound hoakey?  Are words like “eye exercises” and “palming” used?  Do they advocate eye vitamins, use a bunch of pseudo science terminology? 
Then it’s probably not going to do anything for you.
Scams are much easier to tell.  Here is what you want to be looking for:
#Does the site have a slick sales letter? If you are scrolling and scrolling through testimonials and promises and “but wait there is more”, and “special promo pricing”, then it’s almost certainly going to be a scam.  How many legitimate services use a sales letter?  None.  Click out of those things.
#E-mail collectors.  If the first thing you see is a pitch to get your e-mail, it’s going to be a scam.
#Appealing to your inner greed.  If the pitch sounds like something you really wish to be true (because it sounds so quick and easy), then it’s probably a scam.  “Fix your eyes in your sleep”, or “the #1 secret to better eyes”, or “fix your eyes in 30 days”, that’s always, forever going to be a scam.
#Eye vitamins.  If you see the words “eye” and “vitamins” anywhere in the same paragraph, click away.  It’s a scam.
#Mailing you products.  There is zero need for a product.  Usually the product is tied to some complicated return policy and refund policy.  You need to return the product to get a refund, and they count on you not doing that.  If there’ s a product involved, it’s probably a scam.
#No community.  If there is no way to tell on the site that the creators are active and participating in the dialog, if you can’t tell what customers are saying, if everything is shrouded in mystery and sales, you know what … it’s probably a scam.
#The biggest scam of all – doctor promoted products.  Ortho-k and the whole ilk.  Yes, they work (sort of, temporarily) and yes, they are promoted by a large network of real ophthalmologists.  Again though, you are being sold a product, and it doesn’t in any way address the root cause of myopia.  It’s legit but it’s still a scam.
#The payment method.  This is a bit of an insider trick.  Payment processors that accept shady businesses (adult entertainment, internet pharmacies, etc), are hard to get your money back from.  If they payment processor isn’t clear, avoid the site.  If it is, Google it.  If they advertise “high risk payment processing”, run.  Those outfits you’ll never get your money back from. 
Instead, look for legit payment processor.  As much as Paypal isn’t so amazing in many ways, it’s a good payment processor  If you complain to Paypal, you get a refund.  If you complain to American Express, you get a refund.  If you complain to Square, you get a refund.  If you complain to some shady payment processor, you’ll possibly get nothing.
Let us know when you find scams.  We’ll make an effort to put together a scam-directory of sorts, at some point.  Scams hurt everybody, not least of all the guys who legitimately want to help you recover your eyesight.}}
==Is EndMyopia a cult?==
Let's take a look!
The first search result for "What is a cult?" returns this link: https://study.com/learn/lesson/cult-characteristics-types-behavior.html .  For details on the below bullet points, visit that link and/or some other one from your own search results.
'''✔''' A charismatic leader
'''X''' Ideological purity > doing your own research and reaching your own conclusions is encouraged
'''X''' Conformity and control
'''✔''' Mind-altering practices > [[Active_Focus]]
'''X''' Isolation and love-bombing
'''✔''' Us-vs-them mentality
'''X''' Apocalyptic thinking - however, people with higher myopia are more prone to eye health issues such as retinal detachment
'''✔''' Time and energy - Want to learn how to reverse your myopia?  Close work is bad for your eyes!  Now spend many hours learning more!
From the article:
* "''Cults often isolate their members from friends and family on the outside, punish doubts or questions, and require inordinate sacrifices and money from followers''" - '''Share what you're learning with your friends and family.  Ask questions.  Do your own research.  Keep getting regular eye health checkups.'''
* "''a cult is a group of people who fanatically follow one person or belief system while also engaging in a number of dangerous practices.''"  '''In conclusion''', EndMyopia has a lot of the traits of a cult, but unless you think this is dangerous, it's probably not a cult.  Or if it is, it's probably harmless so whatever.
'''[https://nothorses.tumblr.com/post/646493048871763968/just-a-quick-addition-look-for-bite-stuff-in "the cardinal rules of not getting cult'd"]'''
==Finding and Evaluating Online Health Resources ==
'''[https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/finding-and-evaluating-online-resources?nav=govd Here is a detailed article]''' on things to think about when you read about health online.
==What’s the key way to improve my eyesight?==
==What’s the key way to improve my eyesight?==
==Is myopia a disease?==
{{main|The Eyesight Improvement Equation}}
==Lowering Diopters Doesn’t Improve Eyesight?==
It's pretty simple. [[Normalized glasses]], combined with [[distance vision]] and relaxing your [[ciliary muscle]] ([[Active Focus]]). Also, making sure your [[screen habits]] aren't undoing all of that hard work, so use [[differentials]] or no glasses for [[close work]], depending on your eyes.


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That's it - people seem to overcomplicate this stuff for no reason {{smiley}}
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Is EndMyopia a money making scheme?

EndMyopia is not a money making scheme, despite what a lot of people seem to think. The way EndMyopia goes about vision improvement money making is pretty terrible, if that's what we're talking about. Expenditure is relatively high and is a net loss for Jake, as we try to get the word out there. BackTo20/20 exists in part just to fund the high costs of keeping everything running.

If EndMyopia wanted to make more money, the way we preach that results are slow and take a long time should be the first to go - we should tell everyone they'll get FAST results. Also, no information for free, no free wiki or YouTube tutorials, just "trust me!" and big "Buy Now" button. This isn't the case, because EndMyopia is not a money making scheme. This entire wiki was created from the ground up by non-paid volunteers, and Jake rarely if ever edits doesn't edit. That amount of dedication is hard to come by for free on the internet, for something that doesn't work.

But hey - Bates method guys are pretty dedicated too. What do we know? 🤔

See this blog post for information about why, paid stuff might not be all that bad

Does Jake invest in lens manufacturing companies?

Yes.

Are the bad reviews being hidden?

The TrustPilot page is pretty impressive with mostly positive feedback.

Blog post: Endmyopia: All The Bad Reviews O_0

There's people who did EM and also regressed.

Is it really possible to fix myopia?

If you listen to us, the answer is an unequivocal yes. In the vast majority of cases, myopia is a completely reversible condition of the eye. Myopia is lens-induced in most cases as a result of questionable optometry practices. Ever question how it's predicted half of the human population will have a severe defect (myopia) in their most important sensory organ by 2050? Surely it can't all be genetic...

With that said, we recommend you do thorough research on topics around vision improvement and come to your own conclusion about whether this is all legitimate or not.

Lowering diopters doesn’t improve eyesight?

Tell that to the hundreds of people who have confirmed results with EndMyopia, the endless emails Jake receives in his inbox on a daily basis (had to hire an email manager to go through them all), and the growing number of YouTube channels with testimonials backing up what we say here.

But you're right, this is probably all some scam. A scam where we don't actually try too hard to sell you anything 🤔

Are the EndMyopia testimonials fake?

That's an inordinate amount of money to pay to fake that many reviews. Also add in the cost of 17,000 Facebook members (all of which must be bots), it's just an inordinate sum. How much money do you really think this all makes? Certainly not enough to purchase all of those fake reviews we're afraid 😁

Is this based on clinical science?

Yes. See clinical science.

Is this pseudoscience?

Yes. Much of EndMyopia theory is based on clinical science, but the details of Jake's research on his clients are not publicly shared or published. Jake will be the first to tell you he's not an eye doctor.[1]

Is axial elongation of the eye reversible?

What do doctors think about myopia reversal?

Some optometrists are very supportive. Others are not so much.

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Dr. Carr thinks the way EndMyopia works is actually that we're flattening our lenses. There is apparently a forum conversation with Dr. Carr if you have access to the forum.

How would I recognise an eyesight scam?

A massive "BUY NOW" button is always something to be concerned about. We're very clear about the fact you do not need to purchase anything from us to improve your eyesight.

Anything that preaches eye exercises and feel good stuff like healing crystals is also not going to improve your eyesight, but it will make the person who buys these things feel as if they are improving their eyesight.

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Is EndMyopia a cult?

Let's take a look!

The first search result for "What is a cult?" returns this link: https://study.com/learn/lesson/cult-characteristics-types-behavior.html . For details on the below bullet points, visit that link and/or some other one from your own search results. A charismatic leader

X Ideological purity > doing your own research and reaching your own conclusions is encouraged

X Conformity and control

Mind-altering practices > Active_Focus

X Isolation and love-bombing

Us-vs-them mentality

X Apocalyptic thinking - however, people with higher myopia are more prone to eye health issues such as retinal detachment

Time and energy - Want to learn how to reverse your myopia? Close work is bad for your eyes! Now spend many hours learning more!

From the article:

  • "Cults often isolate their members from friends and family on the outside, punish doubts or questions, and require inordinate sacrifices and money from followers" - Share what you're learning with your friends and family. Ask questions. Do your own research. Keep getting regular eye health checkups.
  • "a cult is a group of people who fanatically follow one person or belief system while also engaging in a number of dangerous practices." In conclusion, EndMyopia has a lot of the traits of a cult, but unless you think this is dangerous, it's probably not a cult. Or if it is, it's probably harmless so whatever.

"the cardinal rules of not getting cult'd"

Finding and Evaluating Online Health Resources

Here is a detailed article on things to think about when you read about health online.

What’s the key way to improve my eyesight?

It's pretty simple. Normalized glasses, combined with distance vision and relaxing your ciliary muscle (Active Focus). Also, making sure your screen habits aren't undoing all of that hard work, so use differentials or no glasses for close work, depending on your eyes.

That's it - people seem to overcomplicate this stuff for no reason Face-smile.svg

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