User talk:NottNott

JUST MAKE THE EDIT

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Hello there, this is an example message. -NottNott 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -Denise Skidmore

getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette Dlskidmore (talk) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

reddit

Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. Sam.Watson (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Done.

Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like {{done}} while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -NottNott (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Sam.Watson (talk) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates also doesn't work. Sigh. -NottNott (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Needs an extension for that. -NottNott (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Navbox

Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. Sam.Watson (talk) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Needs Scribunto extension - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -NottNott (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Can you add mw:Extension:Cite? It would allow us to cite sources. Heddy (talk) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.

By the way Template:VisionStats is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -NottNott (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!

I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add ParserFunctions! Heddy (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -NottNott (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! Heddy (talk) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

ProveIt

Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.

• It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author. That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names. (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
• The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec. It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year. That might be fixable in the template? Dlskidmore (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dlskidmore: If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us.

If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out User:NottNott/sandbox for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -NottNott (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Test

@NottNott: Hello? -NottNott (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC) @NottSock: Howdy -NottNott (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@NottSock: test -NottNott (talk) 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC) @NottNott: test NottSock (talk) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Copy wrong

I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, Sam.Watson (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -NottNott (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Nott Nott Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work. 😉 Sam.Watson (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar -NottNott (talk) 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Sidebar.

'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? Sam.Watson (talk) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: MediaWiki:Sidebar -NottNott (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done I'm a ninja -NottNott (talk) 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Experimenting

I see you're having fun! Sam.Watson (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!!

Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses Varnish cache, which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -NottNott (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -NottNott (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki

In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1

Sam.Watson (talk) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -NottNott (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Compressed adorable kitten

What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif Sam.Watson (talk) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: The fun will never end! -NottNott (talk) 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Should be fixed. -NottNott (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. Sam.Watson (talk) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -NottNott (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

typos

there were two small typos in your welcome message - receive, and not recieve. If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this. Hannie. I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.

@Hannie:  Done

There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -NottNott (talk) 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, found it.Hannie (talk) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hannie: Two colons to reply to a single colon. -NottNott (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@NottNott: I will get the hang of this sooner or later.Hannie (talk) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hannie: You will -NottNott (talk) 08:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Embed?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tVjcYpLW59I" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> Sam.Watson (talk) 17:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Sam.Watson (talk) 23:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Can you add https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo for https://vimeo.com/370725217 Sam.Watson (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson:  Done. Deprecate mw:Extension:YouTube, with no broken <youtube> tags. -NottNott (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Is there some problem with having both? mw:Extension:YouTube is better for YouTube while mw:Extension:EmbedVideo does other video types. Sam.Watson (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: The tags are at conflict and I don't believe they are compatible. Why would mw:Extension:YouTube necessarily be better than EmbedVideo? I can test it now. -NottNott (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

EmbedVideo page says "Alternativly, you can also use the service id as the tag (assuming another extension isn't already using this tag)." implying that it's compatible with another extension using the tag. The EmbedVideo acts to have each video on a separate line rather then allow a second video on the same line. Sam.Watson (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Okay, looks like the wiki didn't implode. Both are enabled. -NottNott (talk) 20:28, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Deprecate anyway, as per mw:Extension:EmbedVideo#Attributes_for_parser_tags. Having two different syntaxes for the same tags is gonna cause problems, and the YouTube extension is less maintained then embed video. -NottNott (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Two different syntax's? Both support same syntax. Sam.Watson (talk) 21:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: I'm fine with two extensions if they actually do different things. YouTube seems inferior to EmbedVideo, especially in the resizing videos syntax department. Having two extensions enabled to do the same thing is similar to spaghetti code, best avoided early on wherever possible.

Here's your inline video! Check the syntax. The extension is finnicky about parameters, per mw:Extension:EmbedVideo##ev_-_Classic_parser_tag -NottNott (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Glad you've found a way for it to work. Two extension is not similar to spaghetti code, that's a false equivalence. Sam.Watson (talk) 22:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Both extensions will parse the

@Sam.Watson: Works. Check the source! -NottNott (talk) 23:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Outstanding! Sam.Watson (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: One Help:Video tutorial later... -NottNott (talk) 23:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Copyright

Hi, me being complainy again. Not sure about your take on Legal:Copyrights. Specifically, public domain is not the absense of any copyright claim. There's a convention that everything is copyright whether it says so or not. If you make something new and don't otherwise explicitly say so, then it *is* copyright. Copyright does expire, so Shakespeare stuff is public domain (Yay !). Some stuff is not copyright. (Equations and science theorems and things, probably.) Things like the human genome shouldn't be copyright, but I have a feeling they might be (which is really bad...)

The beautiful image on the top of the page is public domain only because you expressly said it was (via the creative commons license). So it emphatically does have a license.

And I don't think it's okay to say that it's fine to steal material material from little people since, unlike Disney, they won't come after us. (It's okay to do it. It's not okay to *say* that it's okay to do it !)

There are rules about it being okay to quote a little bit of copyright material - fair use - it is not necessary to paraphrase it. (And I don't think a naive paraphrasing is sufficient to get round copyright, since as translating to French and back shouldn't be enough, even if the exact wording changes.)

You give an example of the image of an eye. Is there a case for linking to that image, rather than uploading a copy here ? I know that means it becomes subject to the availability of the external site, which is very bad. But it does avoid issues. I did try at one point to include an image from endmyopia blog, but couldn't figure out how. I think it requires a feature to be enabled. Didn't want to copy it because, you know, I don't like duplication !

I am not a lawyer... Divenal (talk) 11:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

@Divenal:The CC0 license is like the ultimate 'I allow anyone to do anything at all with this whatsoever' license. So technically the license is do whatever you like.

Copyright policy for us is basically, we don't care if we steal memes, and copyrighted educational stuff is fair use to use. I think that's pretty reasonable. We're currently stealing Kermit the Frog from Disney on Help:How to contribute.

Without uploading copies to the wiki, we cannot format the images correctly. Check that Special:Upload is working correctly for you (should be available under tools to the left). You'll have to upload images from EM to the wiki, there's no way to format images correctly without reuploading them. It's good that you have concerns about this stuff, I'm glad somebody's doing checks over my logic because we need it. I think we successfully avoid most issues with that policy (1. memes 2. fair use educational stuff), and the net benefit from including memes on the website far surpasses any net loss from potential people suing us. The wiki is pretty non-profit looking as it is, the only financial benefits are external. Disney doesn't get a claim to loads of $$$ in damages just because we have a copyrighted meme image on the site, fairly sure it's just a cease and desist takedown notice. I think the risk is pretty low. -NottNott (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Check out https://www.upcounsel.com/dmca-notice, seems really handy about this stuff. When a site owner or web host obeys your DMCA notice, this does not mean that you are going to get reimbursement. Serious risk of actual problems, super duper low. -NottNott (talk) 11:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Required?

Is this page needed Endmyopia.org. Why not link to Endmyopia.org. Sam.Watson (talk) 14:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: MediaWiki is very careful about not allowing automatic redirects to external links. The footer is controlled in LocalSettings.php, not System Messages (which is dumb). When I tried to get a normal link working in the footer, I wasn't very successful. I'll try again at some point, but for now the page can stay. -NottNott (talk) 14:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Is the link at the bottom of each pages required? Wikipedia doesn't have such a link. Sam.Watson (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: I like it quite a lot. It's not required, but it's not unrequired as well, also it's a button to click to take you back to the main site, which doesn't exist without that link. -NottNott (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Unused? Delete.

• Terms of Use
• MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning2

The above seem unused. can they be deleted? Sam.Watson (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson:  Done -NottNott (talk) 14:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Guide:Finding Active Focus fault

Some issue that I don't comprehend. Guide:Finding Active Focus is a redlink and also listed on Special:UncategorizedPages as blue. Is this a namespace issue? If not, can you make sense of it. Sam.Watson (talk) 15:00, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: What are you talking about? That link looks pretty blue to me...

The article used to be at Guide:Finding active focus, I just moved it to Guide:Finding Active Focus. Caps! -NottNott (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@NottNott: Still on Special:UncategorizedPages. Sam.Watson (talk) 15:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: Give it a load of time and see if it clears out of the cache. -NottNott (talk) 15:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@NottNott: No cache on Special:UncategorizedPages, no purge at top. Still there. Sam.Watson (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Embedding

You don't like the embedding? Confused. Sam.Watson (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sam.Watson: I love the embedding. The problems are:

1. The page is slow to load, not good for a 'quick loadable list'
2. I'm conscious about SEO. Google will crawl that page as it's directly off of the main page, it can make a difference
3. I'm unsure whether this will eat up server resources, or whether it's all just a pointer to the client's browser to fetch the video.

I'd say the best compromise is two pages. Once more YouTubers join the fold the embedded list will become insane. -NottNott (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)