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This is my talk page, where you can send me messages. Be sure to read [[EM:Talk pages]] before doing so!
==Example message==
Hello there, this is an example message. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#1c662a">Nott</span>]][[User talk:NottNott|<span style="color:#2ca243">Nott</span>]] 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I've not used the talk feature before, just looks like a normal page with a special category -[[User:dlskidmore|<span style="color:#2ca243">Denise Skidmore</span>]]
:getting the hang of proper talk signature etiquette [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
== reddit ==
Wouldn't 'Reddit' be cleaner then 'reddit'. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 21:56, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:Done.
:Ended up trying to import bazillions of non-functioning Wikipedia templates like <nowiki>{{done}}</nowiki> while I was at it. Probably going to have a lot of cleaning up to do later on, I'm making such a mess. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, whatever can invoke statements like #if in templates ''also'' doesn't work. Sigh. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Needs an extension for that. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
== [[Template:Navbox]] ==
Can you add getting the navbox working to your list. Articles become more co-ordinated and sensible when there is a method of overview and navigation. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:Needs [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto Scribunto extension] - can do this when I have access to the backend. 100% a priority when I can get around to this. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:18, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
== References ==
Can you add [[mw:Extension:Cite]]? It would allow us to cite sources. [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:09, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if you have access to the thread on the forum where I discuss the backend and configuration a little more. I'm currently waiting to get backend access to configure the MediaWiki install - the wiki is hosted on Jake's file server and I don't have FTP access at the moment. As you can imagine, there are plenty of extensions and configurations I'd like to do, and Cite will definitely be added.
:By the way [[Template:VisionStats]] is awesome. What experience do you have on other wikis? :) -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:12, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I saw the thread but didn't read it thoroughly, so I thought you had full access!
:: I have been editing Wikipedia and various video game wikis for about 5 years. I can make that template even better if you add [[mw:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]]! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:24, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
:::No worries, it's a doozy in that thread. Thanks for the extension suggestions, you're welcome to compile a list of extensions you want installed on the ToDo list and I'll get through it. Also, you've passed the extensive RFA process we have here, have the mop :) -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I know I'll be a great janitor! [[User:Heddy|Heddy]] ([[User talk:Heddy|talk]]) 22:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
=== ProveIt ===
Not sure if any of this is fixable, but ProveIt has a few foibles.
* It sometimes reverses the first and last name of the author.  That one I doubt is fixable, because not everyone will use the same text formatting everywhere, so it would have to know as much as a human about names.  (Although it might be able to learn more about common first and last names in other cultures than I know myself if it could do it at all.)
* The Journal template doesn't like partial dates like 2010 Dec.  It wants the day, but the day isn't always known, many of the articles cite only a year or month and year.  That might be fixable in the template? [[User:Dlskidmore|Dlskidmore]] ([[User talk:Dlskidmore|talk]]) 02:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Dlskidmore}} If it's last name and then first name, to my knowledge that order of words is sometimes a convention when citing clinical studies. Some use first and last, some last and first. Whatever convention being used is identical to the one Wikipedia uses, so if it's good for them hopefully it's good for us. {{smiley}}
:If you enter in, for example, December 2010 into the source date box, it worked out good for me. Check out [[User:NottNott/sandbox]] for an example of how I have done this below, at the bottom of the page. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 08:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
== Test ==
{{re|NottNott}} Hello? -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 11:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} Howdy -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 12:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottSock}} test -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 20:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
{{re|NottNott}} test [[User:NottSock|NottSock]] ([[User talk:NottSock|talk]]) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
== Copy wrong ==
I won't use disney, they have a history of being agressive about protecting there content. Jake doesn't require the hassle and neither do you, [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 16:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Take it down and delete the file then, I would. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 16:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
== Nott Nott Barnstar ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For amazing work both behind the scenes and on the Wiki. Relax, take a break and do your exam work.  <big><big><big>😉</big></big></big>  [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 20:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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:{{re|Sam.Watson}} People obsess about exam work far too much! There's myopia to fix!! Thanks for the barnstar {{smiley|grin}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 20:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
== Sidebar. ==
'Not medical advice', you mean 'No medical advice'? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 19:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 19:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zclSWKcTZcs I'm a ninja] -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 20:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
== Experimenting ==
I see you're having fun! [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} If you can tell me how 500 Internal Server Errors on specific pages (like this talk page) are fun, then I'll be shocked. Fixed now!! {{grin}}
:Caching is enabled across the wiki, PARTICULARLY for anonymous users. Open up incognito and start clicking on things. This uses [https://varnish-cache.org/ Varnish cache], which gives anonymous users a jet aeroplane to get around. Doesn't work for logged in wiki users, but there is another cache that I've enabled for us. I can't see it getting faster than that. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 17:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, and thumbnail generation bug was seemingly fictional. It was due to my browser cache, and me thinking I could clear it with Ctrl+R instaed of Ctrl+F5. Whoops. We can overwrite old files!!!! -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Nice. Insights 90 to 99% https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/ with https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.endmyopia.org%2Fwiki%2FEndMyopia_Wiki
::In another test image can be slow. https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200529_W2_503ae97c52f243f26dcc8989ed5413b6/3/details/#waterfall_view_step1
:: [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} This will be a lot faster when more users roam around the wiki and generate more cached files through Varnish :) -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
== Compressed adorable kitten ==
What's up here? https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/File:Adorable_cute_kitten_tapping_on_Macbook.gif [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} The fun will never end! -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Should be fixed. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::Yes, fixed now. Was that something you did, or took a while? I noticed it updated the front page image almost immediately, so that was good. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 18:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} That one's to do with ImageMagick. Which is a false prophet to fixing image related problems by the looks of things. I disabled it, and the problem vanished. And the image thumbnailing bug was a lie, just like the cake from Portal. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
== typos ==
there were two small typos in your welcome message - '''receive''', and not recieve.  If this is a standard welcoming text I suggest you correct this.  Hannie.  I have to figure out how to get the tilde sign onto my keyboard.
:{{re|Hannie}} {{done}}
:There should be a button in the bar with a signature looking icon if you're using the blue interface to sign off, or if you're using wikEd (grey), there will be a little button of a tilde. Either of these will give you the four tildes you need :) -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 08:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks, found it.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|Hannie}} Two colons to reply to a single colon. {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 08:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|NottNott}}  I will get the hang of this sooner or later.[[User:Hannie|Hannie]] ([[User talk:Hannie|talk]]) 08:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
::::{{re|Hannie}} You will {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 08:23, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
== Embed? ==
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tVjcYpLW59I" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe> [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 17:56, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
== Categories ==
Do we require categories? Such as [[:Category:Articles]], seems  that by not having it would save on maintenance work. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 23:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} See [[User_talk:Heddy#Articles_category]]. What do you think? -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 07:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
== hyperopic defocus ==
{{re|NottNott}}I was just about to ask (somewhere - not sure where yet...) whether [[hyperopic defocus]] should just be made an alias of [[hyperopic blur]], but you seem to have removed my assertion that they are the same. A dictionary definition of defocus is "The blurring of a visual image" so I had assumed the defocus was simply the more technical term [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]]) 12:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Divenal}} Not quite sure what to do here either. Jake always uses the term hyperopic defocus, and if I'm not mistaken the studies refer to that term as well. I understand that a blurry image is created as a result. I think '''Hyperopic defocus''' (hyperopic blur) would probably okay - most people who think of blur would be thinking of myopic blur, so using just blur wouldn't be accurate here. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 12:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{re|NottNott}} I had added 'blur' not only to give the alias to the term defocus, but also to provide the hyperlink to the [[blur]] page, which also discusses the topic. (But of course that could also be done as a 'see also'). And then I noticed that [[hyperopic blur]] redirected to that section of the blur page, when it could just as easily direct to the [[Hyperopic defocus]] page. [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]])
:::{{re|Divenal}} I think the concept of blur and the concept of the stimulus that elongates the eyeball are distinct and probably deserve their own pages. Not sure what else I can add other than that :P -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 13:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
== Duplication ==
I seem to have a bit of an obsession about avoiding duplication - prefer to link to a definition than repeat it. OTOH it would be annoying to have to keep clicking links to jump about finding definitions, especially in explainers.  I think a wiki I used to use a long time ago (twiki) had a mechanism for inlinling the text from one document into another. So that would allow the text of [[Overprescription]] to be inlined into [[Explainer:Why_early_improvements_are_so_fast]] rather than (more or less) duplicating the text. Or inline the text of [[ Axial elongation]] rather than having to jump to it. Not sure if that feature is available here. [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]]) 12:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Divenal}} That would be possible, for instance we could have definitions to things such as Definition:Overprescription or something, then you could insert that definition into articles with <code><nowiki>{{Definition:Overprescription}}</nowiki></code>
:However, strongly recommending against it in this case. I don't think we'll be duplicating information too many times, and I think the issue will sort itself as the wiki grows older and gets more contributors. It becomes harder to directly edit pages if we transclude definitions into the page instead of just having it on the page. Also, it leads to issues as to how much to transclude into any given page - it gets pretty complicated fast. I think clicking links is part and parcel of using a resource like this, the wiki is fairly quick (hopefully even quicker soon) and I think if someone can't be bothered to click a few more links they're not bothered enough to fix their eyesight {{smiley}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 12:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
== Citing journals ==
Is there a simple way to cite articles ?  I was going to fix up the reference at [[Blur#Myopic_vs_Hyperopic_Blur]] (and probably move it to the existing "Defocus as a stimulus for eye length changes" section), but I'm much too lazy to type in all the details by hand.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citation_tools I found http://sumsearch.org/cite/
Visiting the article in question at https://www.spandidos-publications.com/mmr/18/1/59?text=fulltext I put the DOI code into the tool and
got something looking very plausible.  Given that we want to quote lots of science to back this stuff up, is there already a recipe for doing this, or should I write it up in [[How to contribute]] ?  [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]]) 17:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Divenal}} Check out [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9kQWCGeHU4 my tutorial] and the tool [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ProveIt ProveIt] for how to cite scientific journals.
:The update button doesn't seem to work right on the tool, but you'll notice where there's a 'Template field' with loads of code in the tool that gets updated anytime you change the fields. If you copy and paste that code inbetween the ref tags you should always be okay. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 17:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::Got it... but...  I usually disable javascript, so I wasn't seeing that button. Pressing it, I don't seem to get the same fields as you.  But your way still seems to require pasting in title, journal, etc so it can produce the citation. The tool I found generated it all from just the DOI reference. [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]])
:::{{re|Divenal}} In that case, surround what your tool produces in <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tags instead, and forget about ProveIt. Referencing is really as simple as putting the text of the reference in ref tags, that's it {{smiley}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 18:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
== EndMyopia ==
* "As per community consensus, the capitalisation of the name should be 'EndMyopia' in all articles for consistency."
Look at name https://www.facebook.com/groups/endmyopia/ [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 22:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Sam.Watson}} Check Discord. -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 22:27, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:WP:NUKE]]. Powerful. [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 00:13, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|Sam.Watson}} When thinking about who should get that tool, I'm thinking 'who won't cause me to go through 500 manual undeletions' {{smiley}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 00:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
::::ah, so not permanent deletions. Do you know if there is a backup of the Wiki? [[User:Sam.Watson|Sam.Watson]] ([[User talk:Sam.Watson|talk]]) 00:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{re|Sam.Watson}} I can manually back up the wiki as it is now. Need to talk to {{u|Imperial-beard}} about setting up an automated backup, which shouldn't be too hard. Just involves a few buttons in root access of cpanel I believe -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 00:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
== Blur Horizon ==
Either I'm very badly misunderstanding something, or your description/picture for [[Blur Horizon]] is misleading. (I'm quite happy for it to be the former, since I'm here to learn...) As per [[Distance vision]], it's less than 0.2D between a distance of 6m and infinity. Given that lenses come in 0.25D increments, it's surely impossible to get a correction accurate enough to set blur horizon at the mid-point of a distant mountain ! If the recommendation for normalised is one stop (0.25D) down from 20/20 (infinite), that would put the blur horizon at about 4m, wouldn't it ? I thought the idea was for normalised to have a little bit of blur challenge on street signs and things ? [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]]) 09:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Divenal}} Yeah, your idea about normalised is right. You're also right when you say {{xt|Given that lenses come in 0.25D increments, it's surely impossible to get a correction accurate enough to set blur horizon at the mid-point of a distant mountain !}} It was really just following off of [https://endmyopia.org/frauenfeld-method-key-concepts-the-blur-horizon/ this blog article] which uses the same identical images, and it looks cool]. You're right about the maths and all that. It's impractical and unnecessary to get increments lower than 0.25D, so it all works out. {{smiley}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 10:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
== Oops ==
Hmm... I've done nothing but criticise so far, have I. Sorry about that. I ought to say at least once how grateful I am for all the work you (and the others) have put into this. Hopefully not at any cost to your studies. In my day job as a software engineer, we tear into each others code changes gleefully, but of course we've worked together so long that we all know we respect each other and that none of it is personal. But I'm new here and you don't know me at all... [[User:Divenal|Divenal]] ([[User talk:Divenal|talk]]) 10:32, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Divenal}} Seriously don't worry about all of that! I'd much rather have someone tear everything to shreds and make the site a whole lot better, honestly. I'm very grateful for your contributions and don't take anything personally. My exams are done, it's relaxing until September when everything starts up again (and only then do I have exams in mid January) {{grin}} -[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#e67e22">NottNott</span>]] <small>([[User talk:NottNott|talk]])</small> 10:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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